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Axel Hammer
Guest
Adrian jelled:
> >> Get a Unimog!
>
> > Pinzgauer!
>
> Haflinger!
Won't get my rig. Nope.
> >> Get a Unimog!
>
> > Pinzgauer!
>
> Haflinger!
Won't get my rig. Nope.
I
Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2005-03-10, Huw <hedydd> wrote:
> Too big? Too big for what? It's smaller than an ocean liner. Smaller
> than a jumbo jet. Smaller than an articulated lorry. Smaller even
> than an average tipper truck. Indeed I view it as positively compact
> without a trailer behind.
Something that stands a cat's chance in hell of fitting down a green
lane would be nice... Without tearing itself a whole new one of
course.
As for it being smaller than an ocean liner, articulated lorry etc,
that's about all it's smaller than...
Pinz 6x6 is almost perfect, lots of traction, good ground clearance,
small enough to fit down a lane and fast enough for long trips, sort
of anyway.. The Fastrac might be "fast" by tractor standards but I
wouldn't fancy driving one from Dorset to the west coast of Scotland
for example.
How about a Challenger 2?
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> Too big? Too big for what? It's smaller than an ocean liner. Smaller
> than a jumbo jet. Smaller than an articulated lorry. Smaller even
> than an average tipper truck. Indeed I view it as positively compact
> without a trailer behind.
Something that stands a cat's chance in hell of fitting down a green
lane would be nice... Without tearing itself a whole new one of
course.
As for it being smaller than an ocean liner, articulated lorry etc,
that's about all it's smaller than...
Pinz 6x6 is almost perfect, lots of traction, good ground clearance,
small enough to fit down a lane and fast enough for long trips, sort
of anyway.. The Fastrac might be "fast" by tractor standards but I
wouldn't fancy driving one from Dorset to the west coast of Scotland
for example.
How about a Challenger 2?
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2005-03-10, Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ian Rawlings (news05@tarcus.org.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>>>>> Get a Unimog!
>
>>>> Pinzgauer!
>
>>> Haflinger!
>
>> Trials bike!
>
> www.2cv4x4.com !
Shanks pony!
--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
> Ian Rawlings (news05@tarcus.org.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>>>>> Get a Unimog!
>
>>>> Pinzgauer!
>
>>> Haflinger!
>
>> Trials bike!
>
> www.2cv4x4.com !
Shanks pony!
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H
Huw
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"Ian Rawlings" <news05@tarcus.org.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnd31tv3.pkg.news05@gate-int.tarcus.org.uk...
> On 2005-03-10, Huw <hedydd> wrote:
>
>> Too big? Too big for what? It's smaller than an ocean liner. Smaller
>> than a jumbo jet. Smaller than an articulated lorry. Smaller even
>> than an average tipper truck. Indeed I view it as positively compact
>> without a trailer behind.
>
> Something that stands a cat's chance in hell of fitting down a green
> lane would be nice... Without tearing itself a whole new one of
> course.
Not having been down such a lane myself, it sounds like they could well do
with a lane widening scheme. More income potential from the Fastrac perhaps?
>
> As for it being smaller than an ocean liner, articulated lorry etc,
> that's about all it's smaller than...
Nah! It's smaller than a football stadium, an average tower block, certainly
doesn't need a 'wide load' escort or even a long vehicle sign at the back.
>
> Pinz 6x6 is almost perfect, lots of traction, good ground clearance,
> small enough to fit down a lane and fast enough for long trips, sort
> of anyway.. The Fastrac might be "fast" by tractor standards but I
> wouldn't fancy driving one from Dorset to the west coast of Scotland
> for example.
>
Fastrac were built for 80kph and most do 65kph legally.
> How about a Challenger 2?
>
Now you are being silly
Huw
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Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2005-03-11, Huw <hedydd> wrote:
> Not having been down such a lane myself, it sounds like they could
> well do with a lane widening scheme. More income potential from the
> Fastrac perhaps?
After going down just about any lane in a fastrac, I doubt that
anything else would use it again, including any vegetation! Would
certainly solve the overgrowth problem... Just stamp it all into the
ground!
A Pinz won't wreck the lanes it can fit down, and a computer
contractor who goes green-laning in a tractor would look far more of a
nerd than one who goes in a pinz 6x6, or at least so I think..
A haflinger would be nice of course, nifty little buggies, and you can
even get flotation kits for them, I'll bet your fastrac can't float!
>> How about a Challenger 2?
>
> Now you are being silly
Yeah I suppose so, couldn't see any cup-holders in them after all..
--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
> Not having been down such a lane myself, it sounds like they could
> well do with a lane widening scheme. More income potential from the
> Fastrac perhaps?
After going down just about any lane in a fastrac, I doubt that
anything else would use it again, including any vegetation! Would
certainly solve the overgrowth problem... Just stamp it all into the
ground!
A Pinz won't wreck the lanes it can fit down, and a computer
contractor who goes green-laning in a tractor would look far more of a
nerd than one who goes in a pinz 6x6, or at least so I think..
A haflinger would be nice of course, nifty little buggies, and you can
even get flotation kits for them, I'll bet your fastrac can't float!
>> How about a Challenger 2?
>
> Now you are being silly
Yeah I suppose so, couldn't see any cup-holders in them after all..
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C
Chris Morriss
Guest
In message <slrnd349vr.pkg.news05@gate-int.tarcus.org.uk>, Ian Rawlings
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> writes
>On 2005-03-11, Huw <hedydd> wrote:
>
>> Not having been down such a lane myself, it sounds like they could
>> well do with a lane widening scheme. More income potential from the
>> Fastrac perhaps?
>
>After going down just about any lane in a fastrac, I doubt that
>anything else would use it again, including any vegetation! Would
>certainly solve the overgrowth problem... Just stamp it all into the
>ground!
>
>A Pinz won't wreck the lanes it can fit down, and a computer
>contractor who goes green-laning in a tractor would look far more of a
>nerd than one who goes in a pinz 6x6, or at least so I think..
>
>A haflinger would be nice of course, nifty little buggies, and you can
>even get flotation kits for them, I'll bet your fastrac can't float!
>
>>> How about a Challenger 2?
>>
>> Now you are being silly
>
>Yeah I suppose so, couldn't see any cup-holders in them after all..
>
How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land
Rover 101?
And can you get bits for the Pinzs in the UK? Including bits for the
strange air-cooled engine.
--
Chris Morriss
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> writes
>On 2005-03-11, Huw <hedydd> wrote:
>
>> Not having been down such a lane myself, it sounds like they could
>> well do with a lane widening scheme. More income potential from the
>> Fastrac perhaps?
>
>After going down just about any lane in a fastrac, I doubt that
>anything else would use it again, including any vegetation! Would
>certainly solve the overgrowth problem... Just stamp it all into the
>ground!
>
>A Pinz won't wreck the lanes it can fit down, and a computer
>contractor who goes green-laning in a tractor would look far more of a
>nerd than one who goes in a pinz 6x6, or at least so I think..
>
>A haflinger would be nice of course, nifty little buggies, and you can
>even get flotation kits for them, I'll bet your fastrac can't float!
>
>>> How about a Challenger 2?
>>
>> Now you are being silly
>
>Yeah I suppose so, couldn't see any cup-holders in them after all..
>
How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land
Rover 101?
And can you get bits for the Pinzs in the UK? Including bits for the
strange air-cooled engine.
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Chris Morriss
I
Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2005-03-12, Chris Morriss <crsm@oroboros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land
> Rover 101?
I'm not sure WRT to the 101, specs compared to a 110 are as follows;
The Pinz is not quite as tall as a 110, 2045mm versus 2076mm. It's
1,800mm wide versus 110's 1,790mm.
The Pinz 4x4 has a wheelbase of 90 inches or so, but has longer
overhangs than a Defender 90 so is slightly longer, about the same
length as a 110 (4,528mm versus CSW length of 4,599mm). The 6x6 is
5,308mm long in comparison.
The payload of the 4x4 version is 1,400kg, 6x6 can carry 2,400kg.
More info on http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/
> And can you get bits for the Pinzs in the UK? Including bits for the
> strange air-cooled engine.
You can get bits quite readily but they are expensive, the engine is
specific to the Pinz so replacing one can be pricey but I don't know
how much relative to something like replacing a 300TDi engine. Not
sure how expensive a 101 engine is, but old V8s probably don't cost a
lot. New Pinzgauers aren't really available to members of the public
yet (apart from scrapped ex-army ones) but they have a water-cooled
turbodiesel engine from a Golf. Not sure if they can be retrofitted
to older Pinz's.
The main weakness with the Pinz IMHO is that they don't lend
themselves to the kind of extreme customisation that you see with
Defenders, mostly huge wheels and suspension lifts, the suspension is
connected directly to the tube backbone chassis so there's no real
room for change there. Pretty much anything else goes apart from big
wheel conversions but the pinz has portal axles and extreme axle
travel already so all but the most determined bigfoot-clones should be
happy with it as it is.
On the plus side, the pinz has a single strong tube chassis which also
houses the driveshafts and diffs, and the swing-arm axles are also
tubes that go straight down to the portal axle drop-gears and so there
are no exposed drive-train elements at all, it's all sealed up inside
strong structural elements. The build quality on the Pinz is
apparently fantastic, not really assessed it on that yet. 20 year old
machines are almost identical to much more recent machines and most
have been serviced by armies so are in excellent condition.
Prices start at about 6K for a 4x4 but more realistic prices are 8K,
I've seen a 20 year old one that was basically brand new but that one
was going for 16K which was well overpriced.
For British sales and parts, a good site is;
http://www.haflingertechnik.com/
They're based in Scotland.
I'd love one!
--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
> How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land
> Rover 101?
I'm not sure WRT to the 101, specs compared to a 110 are as follows;
The Pinz is not quite as tall as a 110, 2045mm versus 2076mm. It's
1,800mm wide versus 110's 1,790mm.
The Pinz 4x4 has a wheelbase of 90 inches or so, but has longer
overhangs than a Defender 90 so is slightly longer, about the same
length as a 110 (4,528mm versus CSW length of 4,599mm). The 6x6 is
5,308mm long in comparison.
The payload of the 4x4 version is 1,400kg, 6x6 can carry 2,400kg.
More info on http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/
> And can you get bits for the Pinzs in the UK? Including bits for the
> strange air-cooled engine.
You can get bits quite readily but they are expensive, the engine is
specific to the Pinz so replacing one can be pricey but I don't know
how much relative to something like replacing a 300TDi engine. Not
sure how expensive a 101 engine is, but old V8s probably don't cost a
lot. New Pinzgauers aren't really available to members of the public
yet (apart from scrapped ex-army ones) but they have a water-cooled
turbodiesel engine from a Golf. Not sure if they can be retrofitted
to older Pinz's.
The main weakness with the Pinz IMHO is that they don't lend
themselves to the kind of extreme customisation that you see with
Defenders, mostly huge wheels and suspension lifts, the suspension is
connected directly to the tube backbone chassis so there's no real
room for change there. Pretty much anything else goes apart from big
wheel conversions but the pinz has portal axles and extreme axle
travel already so all but the most determined bigfoot-clones should be
happy with it as it is.
On the plus side, the pinz has a single strong tube chassis which also
houses the driveshafts and diffs, and the swing-arm axles are also
tubes that go straight down to the portal axle drop-gears and so there
are no exposed drive-train elements at all, it's all sealed up inside
strong structural elements. The build quality on the Pinz is
apparently fantastic, not really assessed it on that yet. 20 year old
machines are almost identical to much more recent machines and most
have been serviced by armies so are in excellent condition.
Prices start at about 6K for a 4x4 but more realistic prices are 8K,
I've seen a 20 year old one that was basically brand new but that one
was going for 16K which was well overpriced.
For British sales and parts, a good site is;
http://www.haflingertechnik.com/
They're based in Scotland.
I'd love one!
--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
C
Chris Morriss
Guest
In message <slrnd35jp6.pkg.news05@gate-int.tarcus.org.uk>, Ian Rawlings
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> writes
>On 2005-03-12, Chris Morriss <crsm@oroboros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land
>> Rover 101?
>
>I'm not sure WRT to the 101, specs compared to a 110 are as follows;
>
>The Pinz is not quite as tall as a 110, 2045mm versus 2076mm. It's
>1,800mm wide versus 110's 1,790mm.
>
>The Pinz 4x4 has a wheelbase of 90 inches or so, but has longer
>overhangs than a Defender 90 so is slightly longer, about the same
>length as a 110 (4,528mm versus CSW length of 4,599mm). The 6x6 is
>5,308mm long in comparison.
>
>The payload of the 4x4 version is 1,400kg, 6x6 can carry 2,400kg.
>
>More info on http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/
>
>> And can you get bits for the Pinzs in the UK? Including bits for the
>> strange air-cooled engine.
>
>You can get bits quite readily but they are expensive, the engine is
>specific to the Pinz so replacing one can be pricey but I don't know
>how much relative to something like replacing a 300TDi engine. Not
>sure how expensive a 101 engine is, but old V8s probably don't cost a
>lot. New Pinzgauers aren't really available to members of the public
>yet (apart from scrapped ex-army ones) but they have a water-cooled
>turbodiesel engine from a Golf. Not sure if they can be retrofitted
>to older Pinz's.
>
>The main weakness with the Pinz IMHO is that they don't lend
>themselves to the kind of extreme customisation that you see with
>Defenders, mostly huge wheels and suspension lifts, the suspension is
>connected directly to the tube backbone chassis so there's no real
>room for change there. Pretty much anything else goes apart from big
>wheel conversions but the pinz has portal axles and extreme axle
>travel already so all but the most determined bigfoot-clones should be
>happy with it as it is.
>
>On the plus side, the pinz has a single strong tube chassis which also
>houses the driveshafts and diffs, and the swing-arm axles are also
>tubes that go straight down to the portal axle drop-gears and so there
>are no exposed drive-train elements at all, it's all sealed up inside
>strong structural elements. The build quality on the Pinz is
>apparently fantastic, not really assessed it on that yet. 20 year old
>machines are almost identical to much more recent machines and most
>have been serviced by armies so are in excellent condition.
>
>Prices start at about 6K for a 4x4 but more realistic prices are 8K,
>I've seen a 20 year old one that was basically brand new but that one
>was going for 16K which was well overpriced.
>
>For British sales and parts, a good site is;
>
>http://www.haflingertechnik.com/
>
>They're based in Scotland.
>
>I'd love one!
>
Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that website
are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my next 4x4.
--
Chris Morriss
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> writes
>On 2005-03-12, Chris Morriss <crsm@oroboros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> How big are the Pinzgauers (in 4W and 6W versions) compared to a Land
>> Rover 101?
>
>I'm not sure WRT to the 101, specs compared to a 110 are as follows;
>
>The Pinz is not quite as tall as a 110, 2045mm versus 2076mm. It's
>1,800mm wide versus 110's 1,790mm.
>
>The Pinz 4x4 has a wheelbase of 90 inches or so, but has longer
>overhangs than a Defender 90 so is slightly longer, about the same
>length as a 110 (4,528mm versus CSW length of 4,599mm). The 6x6 is
>5,308mm long in comparison.
>
>The payload of the 4x4 version is 1,400kg, 6x6 can carry 2,400kg.
>
>More info on http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/
>
>> And can you get bits for the Pinzs in the UK? Including bits for the
>> strange air-cooled engine.
>
>You can get bits quite readily but they are expensive, the engine is
>specific to the Pinz so replacing one can be pricey but I don't know
>how much relative to something like replacing a 300TDi engine. Not
>sure how expensive a 101 engine is, but old V8s probably don't cost a
>lot. New Pinzgauers aren't really available to members of the public
>yet (apart from scrapped ex-army ones) but they have a water-cooled
>turbodiesel engine from a Golf. Not sure if they can be retrofitted
>to older Pinz's.
>
>The main weakness with the Pinz IMHO is that they don't lend
>themselves to the kind of extreme customisation that you see with
>Defenders, mostly huge wheels and suspension lifts, the suspension is
>connected directly to the tube backbone chassis so there's no real
>room for change there. Pretty much anything else goes apart from big
>wheel conversions but the pinz has portal axles and extreme axle
>travel already so all but the most determined bigfoot-clones should be
>happy with it as it is.
>
>On the plus side, the pinz has a single strong tube chassis which also
>houses the driveshafts and diffs, and the swing-arm axles are also
>tubes that go straight down to the portal axle drop-gears and so there
>are no exposed drive-train elements at all, it's all sealed up inside
>strong structural elements. The build quality on the Pinz is
>apparently fantastic, not really assessed it on that yet. 20 year old
>machines are almost identical to much more recent machines and most
>have been serviced by armies so are in excellent condition.
>
>Prices start at about 6K for a 4x4 but more realistic prices are 8K,
>I've seen a 20 year old one that was basically brand new but that one
>was going for 16K which was well overpriced.
>
>For British sales and parts, a good site is;
>
>http://www.haflingertechnik.com/
>
>They're based in Scotland.
>
>I'd love one!
>
Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that website
are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my next 4x4.
--
Chris Morriss
I
Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2005-03-12, Chris Morriss <crsm@oroboros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that
> website are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my
> next 4x4.
I can't see what significant advantages an Ibex offers over a landy.
It's a tricked-up Defender with a bodykit basically.
The pinz is another league of off-roader, which is what I like about
them, built like tanks, excellent clearance, extremely strong and
reliable with an enormous track record. Parts are expensive but
they've been built to need as few as possible, even so far as using an
air-cooled engine to reduce complexity.
One thing about the pinz that I'm not keen on is the use of drum
brakes on the earlier ones, I've seen a set of drum shoes on a series
landy shredded by gritty slop in the space of a few hours, I'd have to
look into what they've done about that if I decided to spring for one,
although having said that I've not driven extensively in gritty slop
for many years now.
--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
> Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that
> website are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my
> next 4x4.
I can't see what significant advantages an Ibex offers over a landy.
It's a tricked-up Defender with a bodykit basically.
The pinz is another league of off-roader, which is what I like about
them, built like tanks, excellent clearance, extremely strong and
reliable with an enormous track record. Parts are expensive but
they've been built to need as few as possible, even so far as using an
air-cooled engine to reduce complexity.
One thing about the pinz that I'm not keen on is the use of drum
brakes on the earlier ones, I've seen a set of drum shoes on a series
landy shredded by gritty slop in the space of a few hours, I'd have to
look into what they've done about that if I decided to spring for one,
although having said that I've not driven extensively in gritty slop
for many years now.
--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
C
Chris Morriss
Guest
In message <slrnd368ti.tuf.news05@gate-int.tarcus.org.uk>, Ian Rawlings
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> writes
>On 2005-03-12, Chris Morriss <crsm@oroboros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that
>> website are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my
>> next 4x4.
>
>I can't see what significant advantages an Ibex offers over a landy.
>It's a tricked-up Defender with a bodykit basically.
>
>The pinz is another league of off-roader, which is what I like about
>them, built like tanks, excellent clearance, extremely strong and
>reliable with an enormous track record. Parts are expensive but
>they've been built to need as few as possible, even so far as using an
>air-cooled engine to reduce complexity.
>
>One thing about the pinz that I'm not keen on is the use of drum
>brakes on the earlier ones, I've seen a set of drum shoes on a series
>landy shredded by gritty slop in the space of a few hours, I'd have to
>look into what they've done about that if I decided to spring for one,
>although having said that I've not driven extensively in gritty slop
>for many years now.
>
No, an Ibex throws away the LR chassis for a 3D spaceframe (as far as I
can see from having a good look at a SWB one in the local supermarket
car park) They are a lot more damage resistant than a standard LR, have
less front and rear overhang, and come in a variety of different
wheelbases.
--
Chris Morriss
<news05@tarcus.org.uk> writes
>On 2005-03-12, Chris Morriss <crsm@oroboros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Interesting, but the prices of some of the spare parts on that
>> website are high. I think I'll stick with getting an Ibex as my
>> next 4x4.
>
>I can't see what significant advantages an Ibex offers over a landy.
>It's a tricked-up Defender with a bodykit basically.
>
>The pinz is another league of off-roader, which is what I like about
>them, built like tanks, excellent clearance, extremely strong and
>reliable with an enormous track record. Parts are expensive but
>they've been built to need as few as possible, even so far as using an
>air-cooled engine to reduce complexity.
>
>One thing about the pinz that I'm not keen on is the use of drum
>brakes on the earlier ones, I've seen a set of drum shoes on a series
>landy shredded by gritty slop in the space of a few hours, I'd have to
>look into what they've done about that if I decided to spring for one,
>although having said that I've not driven extensively in gritty slop
>for many years now.
>
No, an Ibex throws away the LR chassis for a 3D spaceframe (as far as I
can see from having a good look at a SWB one in the local supermarket
car park) They are a lot more damage resistant than a standard LR, have
less front and rear overhang, and come in a variety of different
wheelbases.
--
Chris Morriss
I
Ian Rawlings
Guest
On 2005-03-12, Chris Morriss <crsm@oroboros.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> No, an Ibex throws away the LR chassis for a 3D spaceframe (as far
> as I can see from having a good look at a SWB one in the local
> supermarket car park) They are a lot more damage resistant than a
> standard LR, have less front and rear overhang, and come in a
> variety of different wheelbases.
Sure but it still has the same ground clearance and similar suspension
setup, the pinz is a completely different beast, especially the 6x6,
which is the one I'd like ;-) For mud-plugging I don't see what a
spaceframe adds, and whacking large wheels on a 90 will increase
clearance and reduce overhangs, which is why I've never really been
much interested in Ibex's. A 90 with fat wheels and uprated
axles/suspension would fulfil the role better IHMO.
You could think of the pinz as a small Unimog. The pinz is designed
to fill the 1-tonne-payload-offroad niche that the 101FC used to
occupy, the Ibex is kind of halfway between a stock Defender and a
Bowler Wildcat, I suspect that you and I want different things from
our off-roaders so we're not likely to agree on which one's the better
as they're not designed to fulfil the same role. I for example want
load space in the back which is why I bought a 110 rather than a 90.
One of the things I love most about the pinz is the combined
drivetrain and suspension setup, the bare chassis looks like a
demented stick-insect with all the sensitive bits tucked away, it's
just a shame they couldn't have tucked the steering rods away too :-(
I wonder if I could sandwich a Porsche engine in there....
--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
> No, an Ibex throws away the LR chassis for a 3D spaceframe (as far
> as I can see from having a good look at a SWB one in the local
> supermarket car park) They are a lot more damage resistant than a
> standard LR, have less front and rear overhang, and come in a
> variety of different wheelbases.
Sure but it still has the same ground clearance and similar suspension
setup, the pinz is a completely different beast, especially the 6x6,
which is the one I'd like ;-) For mud-plugging I don't see what a
spaceframe adds, and whacking large wheels on a 90 will increase
clearance and reduce overhangs, which is why I've never really been
much interested in Ibex's. A 90 with fat wheels and uprated
axles/suspension would fulfil the role better IHMO.
You could think of the pinz as a small Unimog. The pinz is designed
to fill the 1-tonne-payload-offroad niche that the 101FC used to
occupy, the Ibex is kind of halfway between a stock Defender and a
Bowler Wildcat, I suspect that you and I want different things from
our off-roaders so we're not likely to agree on which one's the better
as they're not designed to fulfil the same role. I for example want
load space in the back which is why I bought a 110 rather than a 90.
One of the things I love most about the pinz is the combined
drivetrain and suspension setup, the bare chassis looks like a
demented stick-insect with all the sensitive bits tucked away, it's
just a shame they couldn't have tucked the steering rods away too :-(
I wonder if I could sandwich a Porsche engine in there....
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For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
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Steve Firth
Guest
Dave Allen <dave@monkeypit.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Had a feeling Marcus was on the wrong tack
Except sadly he isn't as you will discover(y).
I parked my 4xFord next door to an identical reg. Disco last week. The
Disco had the worst case of tinworm that I have ever seen. Land Rover
should be ashamed of themselves.
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
>
> Had a feeling Marcus was on the wrong tack
Except sadly he isn't as you will discover(y).
I parked my 4xFord next door to an identical reg. Disco last week. The
Disco had the worst case of tinworm that I have ever seen. Land Rover
should be ashamed of themselves.
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
D
Derek
Guest
"Axel Hammer" <alpha01@dt-intra.de> wrote in message
news:4230A7F8.DD70B122@dt-intra.de...
> Adrian jelled:
>
> > >> Get a Unimog!
> >
> > > Pinzgauer!
> >
> > Haflinger!
>
> Won't get my rig. Nope.
>
This thread is getting a little esoteric so how about an OshKosh HMTT
http://www.ittia.com/images/news/oshkosh_hmtt_a3.jpg
if you get stuck you can always carry a few of the other options on the load
bed and its big enough to drive over most narrow lanes
I was fortunate enough to see a pair while delivering they made my merc
7tonner look like a fiat panda, impressive ramp angles and 8 wheel drive
nice Derek
