magicol

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Hi,

Just mulling over the idea of fabricating an aluminium chassis for my classic RR. Cannot see it having been done before so am not aware of the pitfalls, but wondered if anyone has an opinion?

I cant really see a problem so long as we beef certain areas up and the plate used throughout?

Cheers

Col
 
Well I guess weight saving and greater corrosion resistance. I realise it would cost more but al is nothing like stainless...
 
Hi,

Just mulling over the idea of fabricating an aluminium chassis for my classic RR. Cannot see it having been done before so am not aware of the pitfalls, but wondered if anyone has an opinion?

I cant really see a problem so long as we beef certain areas up and the plate used throughout?

Cheers

Col

I wouldn't mull on it too long mate. No offence...but that would be MENTAL:confused::D
 
Just work on the principle that if no one has done it before, there's a reason for it. They don't do it on new discos or rangies. Toyota don't do it, nissan don't do it. There must be a reason and people cleverer than us know it.
 
not strong enough in box section form i guess.

tubular chassis on T45 or something even more exotic.
 
Are you thinking of using aluminium bolts to secure everything to the chassis cos you might want to research what happens when steel and ally meet if you were thinking of using steel bolts.
 
If people started making ally chassis you would go out in morning and find a body there and the chassis would have been weighed in for scrap!
 
All valid points!

I guess it comes down to personal preference in some ways, I'm looking for less weight - particularly for trials comps. Having tried to lift a standard chassis by hand I'm sure I could shave a modest amount of weight going this way.

However, I can see it being a test of a project...and while more expensive than many steels it should still be possible to get materials for a reasonable price. Thats before fabrication of course...

Bolts and fixings could remain steel, you are only really going to get significant corrosion type problems if parts are continuously immersed in water. otherwise greasing parts before assembly should be adequate.
 
No flexibility, unlike steel. It would bounce all your fillings out, break everything on the car and then snap! (and cost a million quid in just the metal needed)
 
Unless I misunderstood what you meant, aluminiums (alloys) greater flexibility over steel is another benefit.

I'm still trying to find any information of aluminium being used to manufacture any type of chassis, which maybe a clue in itself...nobody has done it.
 
Audi ASF
Audi A8 is the first mass production car featuring Aluminium Space Frame chassis. Developed in conjunction with US aluminium maker Alcoa, ASF is intended to replace conventional steel monocoque mainly for the benefit of lightness. Audi claimed A8's ASF is 40% lighter yet 40% stiffer than contemporary steel monocoque. This enable the 4WD-equipped A8 to be lighter than BMW 740i.
ASF consists of extruded aluminum sections, vacuum die cast components and aluminum sheets of different thicknesses. They all are made of high-strength aluminium alloy. At the highly stressed corners and joints, extruded sections are connected by complex aluminum die casting (nodes). Besides, new fastening methods were developed to join the body parts together. It's quite complex and production cost is far higher than steel monocoque.

The Audi A2 employed the second generation of ASF technology, which involves larger but fewer frames, hence fewer nodes and requires fewer welding. Laser welding is also extensively used in the bonding. All these helped reducing the production cost to the extent that the cheap A2 can afford it.
Advantage: Lighter than steel monocoque. As space efficient as it.
Disadvantage: Still expensive for mass production

The main problem with Aluminium is that it has relatively low fatigue strength and unlike most ferritic steels it does not have an "endurance limit". The endurance limit is the stress at which fatigue failure will never occur. Aluminium will always fatigue even if stresses are very low.

Unless the whole concept is studied and analysed in detail I feel that an aluminium copy of a chassis could be bloody dangerous. The impact loading on pick ups would need to be modelled and design changes made. Some maths should be used instead of "it looks OK". I think this would be an interesting but time consuming process material data and mathematical models required. The welding control that would be required is very advanced and quite costly and I would advise a manual TIG system with an HF supply and a "crater elimination" unit. The correct shielding gas would depend on final alloy selection.
 
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Unless I misunderstood what you meant, aluminiums (alloys) greater flexibility over steel is another benefit.

I'm still trying to find any information of aluminium being used to manufacture any type of chassis, which maybe a clue in itself...nobody has done it.

No, it is less flexible than steel which will make it snap when stressed over and over again and it will break sooner than steel (probably!) once all your bones have been shaken out of their sockets!
 
When I was reading through this thread, I kept thinking 'Audi A8' :confused:

Nice write up there MHM, beat me to it -:D:D:D
 
Unless I misunderstood what you meant, aluminiums (alloys) greater flexibility over steel is another benefit.

I'm still trying to find any information of aluminium being used to manufacture any type of chassis, which maybe a clue in itself...nobody has done it.
There was a vehicle on Ebay a while back with an aluminium chassis, cannot remember the make though.
 
Unless I misunderstood what you meant, aluminiums (alloys) greater flexibility over steel is another benefit.

I'm still trying to find any information of aluminium being used to manufacture any type of chassis, which maybe a clue in itself...nobody has done it.
wot?Di ya read wot he sed?

No, it is less flexible than steel which will make it snap when stressed over and over again and it will break sooner than steel (probably!) once all your bones have been shaken out of their sockets!
:doh:
 

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