[rangiegal]

Can't agree with you about BMW, outrageously expensive parts and service and on the one I had **** poor quality......
Also had a hard jiggly ride and rock hard seats.

Forgot to say....just like Land Rover then??? Main stealers in Norwich don't even know what a P38 is and are so far up their own ar**s won't even give you the time of day. Coopers BMW OTOH have been pretty helpful even with minor queries. I suppose it varies from stealership to stealership, but most main dealers just seem to want to rip everyone off as much as possoble, whatever the make of car - its the name of the game!!:doh:

 

[Steve Ashworth]

Let em ave it Rangiegal..,.

There is some really good helpful content on this forum but also a lot of small minded tossers bereft of objectivity.

Takes all kinds!

Steve.

 

[Datatek]

Forgot to say....just like Land Rover then??? Main stealers in Norwich don't even know what a P38 is and are so far up their own ar**s won't even give you the time of day. Coopers BMW OTOH have been pretty helpful even with minor queries. I suppose it varies from stealership to stealership, but most main dealers just seem to want to rip everyone off as much as possoble, whatever the make of car - its the name of the game!!:doh:

I agree absolutely, Land Rover quality is very poor. The difference is the spares are relatively cheap and all the technical info is available to make DIY repairs possible. The point I tried to make is that in many respects BMW are not a lot better. as for Mercedes, even the Chief Exec said they were crap on the TV, put it down to the Chrysler influance. The only truly reliable cars I have ever owned have been Toyota and to a lesser extent Mitsubishi. Could just be luck of the draw I suppose My Toyota MR2 is 24 years old, I've had it from new, in that time it has had both window mechanisms fail and thats it.

 

[fortgrange]

Let em ave it Rangiegal..,.

There is some really good helpful content on this forum but also a lot of small minded tossers bereft of objectivity.

Takes all kinds!

Steve.

Bit harsh. Some stick is bound to be forthcomming slating a Landrover product over a different marque on a Landrover forum.

Anyway an X5 should be compaired to a L322 not a P38. An X5 should not the spots off a P38 (which IMHO I don't think it does) as there's nearly 10years between development (more on the engine) And most of the early development on L322's is BMW, which as the years have gone by has been shelved for Ford/Jaguar input.

My P38 is now over 10 years old and I'm more than happy how it performs.

 

[Steve Ashworth]

The truth is sometimes harsh.

You do make good comments regarding the age of the P38 development. Dont know much about rthe L322 but a comparative to the X5 would be interesting...

I love my P38 - I guess Rangiegal is pretty keen on hers too.

Objective reviews about other vehicles would however be more helpful than the crap that is often quoted.

 

[rangiegal]

Bit harsh. Some stick is bound to be forthcomming slating a Landrover product over a different marque on a Landrover forum.

Anyway an X5 should be compaired to a L322 not a P38. An X5 should not the spots off a P38 (which IMHO I don't think it does) as there's nearly 10years between development (more on the engine) And most of the early development on L322's is BMW, which as the years have gone by has been shelved for Ford/Jaguar input.

My P38 is now over 10 years old and I'm more than happy how it performs.

There are as many opinions as there are people, really....and we're all entitled to them. I own a p38 and its still a lovely vehicle, performs well, but in MY opinion, as the owner of BOTH a p38 and an X5, the X5 does knock the sports off a p38 as well as an l322-I test drove the RR Sport and an L322 vogue supercharged before I chose the X5 and neither impressed me with drive quality or build quality and the seats were hard and uncomfortable. The VW Touareg was also better than either of them, IMO. The X5 forum has an amazing number of ex-Range Rover owners (mostly Sport and L322) who hated the RR and changed over to X5s...I suppose its the same for lots of other makes and models, variety keeps the motoring public interested and the perfect vehicle doesn't exist!!!


By the way, I wasn't slating Land Rover products if you re-read the posts....I actually own both a BMW and a Range Rover and both have their strengths and weaknesses. The OP was the one slating every other marque other than a p38.
I think the OPs branding BMW drivers/ owners in general as criminals and drug-dealing reckless creatures goes well beyond "some stick". Its just plain bigoted and out of order!!:doh:

 

[Steve Ashworth]

Jock

PS. I laughed myself nearly to death passing a Q7 and and X5 on the pavement...

What sort of an attitude is that - says it all really?!?

Seen several vehicles in trouble this last week. Stopped and helped whenever possibly. Laughing at their misfortune never crossed my mind.

Steve

PS - why dont you try helping rather than mocking, preferably lashing the tow strap roung your axel. Then I will make an exception and laugh out loud as poor bulid quality buggers up your P38..... Actually I wouldn't, I would still stop and help

 

[BigJock2005]

I've learned alot about X5's tonight. Mainly that their owners are extremely sensitive and prone to over-reaction!

It is worth remembering that the P38 is a very old vehicle in terms of design, and even comparing it to a vehicle like the X5 says a huge amount.

And of course one of the main reasons for BMWs acquisition of Land Rover was to get thier hands on Land Rover's off-road development technology: which they did.

Otherwise, calm down, take some chill and don't be so surprised when a Ranger takes the Mick out of a Krautmobile - ON A RANGEY FORUM!!

Hahaha!

 

[rangiegal]

I've learned alot about X5's tonight. Mainly that their owners are extremely sensitive and prone to over-reaction!

It is worth remembering that the P38 is a very old vehicle in terms of design, and even comparing it to a vehicle like the X5 says a huge amount.

And of course one of the main reasons for BMWs acquisition of Land Rover was to get thier hands on Land Rover's off-road development technology: which they did.

Otherwise, calm down, take some chill and don't be so surprised when a Ranger takes the Mick out of a Krautmobile - ON A RANGEY FORUM!!

Hahaha!

Hahaha yourself. There's nothing funny about bigoted claims that all BMW drivers are criminals / drug dealers or tossers - speak for yourself - Its also NOT "taking the mick" to accuse an entire group of people like that, its just being downright offensive. Still waiting for your "proof" that I'm one of the criminal drug dealers mind you.

Actually, I've spent a long time on this forum as a Rangie owner and have helped a few and been helped by many. No necessity for anyone to be downright bigoted and offensive when it comes to car ownership, the forums are to help one another and share info, not slate everyone in creation because you have little man syndrome and seem to need an outlet for your frustration!!

A few guys from here have recently posted on Bimmer Forums about radio kit - no-one told them what a heap of crap they were driving and how dare they post on a Bimmer Forum, nor have I seen the sort of yobbish behaviour you displayed on there either. Go figure.
Best of all, get a life. Or even better, laugh yourself to death (as you said you nearly did) at others misfortune, it couldn't happen to you ever now, could it??

You personalised your stupid attack on BMW drivers, it wasn't about the cars, was it? Just a deeply offensive and bigoted attack on the people concerned. Your sweeping generalisations about people you have never met (or cars you have never driven) says a lot about you.....

I value the friendships and helpful attitude of most people on this forum. That does not include the likes of you and your attitude does Land Rover in general a great disservice. What goes around comes around as they say.

 

[goonarmy]

easy tigers!Seems rangie girl likes cars cos of there seats. Others dont.Each to their own. To me x5 are nearly pointless as a 4x4 to me is used off road and /or for towing. The x 6 is just plain silly, a coupe with a high centre of gravity.Madness.As for the drug dealing/mobile phones/general bad driving issue well i can recall getting cut up by x5 drivers, l322 drivers and espeshially rr sport drivers.My rangie was comfy all day long ride was good-considering age weight n size.

 

[Beast o Bodmin]

there all ****e these days as cars are made cheap.It costs more to produce a defender than a rr sport an theres a big price difference.Spend on dudes and feed materialism.I refuse ta spend more than 500 on a purchase but for that i get a 4x4 that works on and off road,....

modern cars are 4x4 there aint no real off roaders left in production bar 2 or so....

there all muppetwagons...

 

[Langers]

there all ****e these days as cars are made cheap.It costs more to produce a defender than a rr sport an theres a big price difference.Spend on dudes and feed materialism.I refuse ta spend more than 500 on a purchase but for that i get a 4x4 that works on and off road,....

modern cars are 4x4 there aint no real off roaders left in production bar 2 or so....

there all muppetwagons...

Amen to that - bangernomics - though the supply of £500 rangies and landies will eventually run dry, since I'm not sure if the modern Range Rovers and Discoveries will last as long as the 80s and 90s models have.

It's cars like the X5 that are the main culprits of the famed Chelsea Tractor, too - the size, weight, obtrusiveness and cost of a 4x4 vehicle, but with none of the off road ability, or tough durability that a 4x4 should have. It is just another example of how perverted the 'SUV' market has become, as has been said before, the worst examples being the Range Rover Sport, the X6 and the 'AMG' models of Mercedes' ML and GL wagons. The Germans definitely know how to build a decent 4x4 though, just look at the old style G-wagons.

 

[goonarmy]

Amen to that - bangernomics - though the supply of £500 rangies and landies will eventually run dry, since I'm not sure if the modern Range Rovers and Discoveries will last as long as the 80s and 90s models have.

It's cars like the X5 that are the main culprits of the famed Chelsea Tractor, too - the size, weight, obtrusiveness and cost of a 4x4 vehicle, but with none of the off road ability, or tough durability that a 4x4 should have. It is just another example of how perverted the 'SUV' market has become, as has been said before, the worst examples being the Range Rover Sport, the X6 and the 'AMG' models of Mercedes' ML and GL wagons. The Germans definitely know how to build a decent 4x4 though, just look at the old style G-wagons.

X6 is a vile abomination which goes agaisnt the rules of physics and common sense.Already bitched about it once already today.

 

[fett]

U see the x6 on top gear , couldnt even get up and gentle grass slope lol

 

[Datatek]

U see the x6 on top gear , couldnt even get up and gentle grass slope lol

Nor could a Gaylander on a Range Rover test day. Lots of red faces on the RR staff

 

[goonarmy]

U see the x6 on top gear , couldnt even get up and gentle grass slope lol

Missed that but would probbably turn off in disgust

 

[fett]

If its not noisy, unreliable, rusty,thisty and with flat paint its not a Landrover!

 

[rangiegal]

It's cars like the X5 that are the main culprits of the famed Chelsea Tractor, too - the size, weight, obtrusiveness and cost of a 4x4 vehicle, but with none of the off road ability, or tough durability that a 4x4 should have.

Rubbish! The closest most Range Rovers (and most other SUVs and "urban" 4x4s)ever see to "off road" is when their wheels go up the pavement, be that in Chelsea or elsewhere !! X5s are as capable as a Range Rover on road, even in difficult conditions like the recent extreme weather. They were never intended to venture into fields and rivers, or indeed to go very far OFF road, but then let's face it, most Range Rovers never get into fields or rivers or very far from a road either and the fancy electronics certainly would not cope well with being hammered in true off road conditions or swamped in water, even if the 4x4 system works there!!

 

[goonarmy]

Rubbish! The closest most Range Rovers (and most other SUVs and "urban" 4x4s)ever see to "off road" is when their wheels go up the pavement, be that in Chelsea or elsewhere !! X5s are as capable as a Range Rover on road, even in difficult conditions like the recent extreme weather. They were never intended to venture into fields and rivers, or indeed to go very far OFF road, but then let's face it, most Range Rovers never get into fields or rivers or very far from a road either and the fancy electronics certainly would not cope well with being hammered in true off road conditions or swamped in water, even if the 4x4 system works there!!

so you got the arse when others assumed(quite rightly) that beemer drivers are ganstas?Now your assuming that rangies dont go off road, and even worse-CANT!?!
Very wrong.

 

[rangiegal]

U see the x6 on top gear , couldnt even get up and gentle grass slope lol

T'was the wide low profile tyres / wheels combo.......the mechanics of the vehicle, however yuk ugly it may be, are capable of sending it up the grass bank, but silly sledges for tyres aren't going to keep many cars moving upwards on slippery inclines. The X6 is not particularly popular for good reason, I would think! The X5 is a different beast altogether.

Mind you, Freelanders are probably the worst-ever 4x4, especially the early 1.8s that were guaranteed to break down fso requently, and I recall the incident in which they also couldn't negotiate a grassy slope.....but people buy them, drive them and like them. Takes all sorts. No need to attack people, though, about the car/s they choose to drive, but a decent discussion is always welcome