[wammers]

Quite correct that's why he went for a Yanky one. It was the 6.354T (turbo) and I must correct myself, it was a 5 speed ZF he was fitting. The E type g/box was mated to a 4 cylinder Perkins 4.203 I think that was in another Mk10 that he used as his daily runabout.

Don't know why he thought he was going to get 150 MPH. 6.354T only had 165 BHP slightly less than my BMW 2.5 with the chip fitted. Standard E Type 3.8 had 265 BHP and only just managed to nudge an E Type to 150. 165 BHP in a Mk 10 no bloody chance.

 

[tomcat59alan]

4/203 or 4/236 were often fitted in ladies years ago. I have had 4/203 before, as you say, they are very economical, and so much torque they weren't bad off the lights, but very slow top end. My s2a had Ascroft high range tranny box, some had Fairey o/d instead.

I have also had BMC in a series, and found them economical and reliable, though a tad slow on the road. Great times indeed

I had a Classic with a 4/236 very agricultural but could pull a house down. I had the Fairy o/drive. I do hope you meant Landy's not ladies.

 

[tomcat59alan]

Don't know why he thought he was going to get 150 MPH. 6.354T only had 165 BHP slightly less than my BMW 2.5 with the chip fitted. Standard E Type 3.8 had 265 BHP and only just managed to nudge an E Type to 150. 165 BHP in a Mk 10 no bloody chance.

Torque and gearing Tony. As I said it was a theoretical speed. As I said there was to be nothing standard about this car so why you are quoting standard speeds and bhp's I don't know. An engine that came out of a 32 tonne artic unit with a different gearbox and final drive I'm sure this speed or near this speed is attainable.

 

[Turboman]

I had a Classic with a 4/236 very agricultural but could pull a house down. I had the Fairy o/drive. I do hope you meant Landy's not ladies.

Of course! Not too many Perkins re-powered ladies round here

4/236 is a tractor engine really, though they found their way into many applications. I have a 4/248 in my Massey, and that is a great engine too!

 

[tomcat59alan]

Of course! Not too many Perkins re-powered ladies round here

4/236 is a tractor engine really, though they found their way into many applications. I have a 4/248 in my Massey, and that is a great engine too!

Another mate put a supercharged TS3 out of a Commer artic into a Landrover experimental vehicle that went to auction by mistake. Only 3 were built, one caught fire and L/R still have the other.

 

[Turboman]

Another mate put a supercharged TS3 out of a Commer artic into a Landrover experimental vehicle that went to auction by mistake. Only 3 were built, one caught fire and L/R still have the other.

Sounds like an entertaining project too! Don't suppose yu have any pics of that?

 

[The Mad Hat Man]

Of course! Not too many Perkins re-powered ladies round here

4/236 is a tractor engine really, though they found their way into man applications. I have a 4/248 in my Massey, and that is a great engine too!

What is this obsession with sex, today ?

 

[Turboman]

What is this obsession with sex, today ?

Judging by the many medical problems we see posted about, humans aint that reliable! Maybe would benefit from reliable, torquey Perkins power!

 

[peter8315]

thanks for your comments, its a mazda/ perkins 4128 4 cylinder engine, not unlike the 4203, tried to get some info from perkins today and was told buy the guy that it must be an oldish engine as he couldn't recall it, and would need the engine number witch i didn't have with me at the time, anyway thats not the issue i origanally asked if a disco manual box would fit in the range rover, and now i have made my mind up to put in a 2.5 tdi and manual box complete as i think the 200tdi engine is superior to the perkins in that it is a shorter stroke and direct injection, any body got one for sale?

 

[wammers]

Torque and gearing Tony. As I said it was a theoretical speed. As I said there was to be nothing standard about this car so why you are quoting standard speeds and bhp's I don't know. An engine that came out of a 32 tonne artic unit with a different gearbox and final drive I'm sure this speed or near this speed is attainable.

Not with only 165 BHP it ain't in my opinion. Don't care how much torque it had.

 

[wammers]

thanks for your comments, its a mazda/ perkins 4128 4 cylinder engine, not unlike the 4203, tried to get some info from perkins today and was told buy the guy that it must be an oldish engine as he couldn't recall it, and would need the engine number witch i didn't have with me at the time, anyway thats not the issue i origanally asked if a disco manual box would fit in the range rover, and now i have made my mind up to put in a 2.5 tdi and manual box complete as i think the 200tdi engine is superior to the perkins in that it is a shorter stroke and direct injection, any body got one for sale?

Better with a 300 TDi, better engine than the 200. By the way TDi does not stand for Turbo direct injection. It means Turbo diesel intercooler. The direct injection thing is more to do with petrol engines. Diesels have had direct injection since Adam was a lad.

 

[peter8315]

yes i know that but most diesels need heat especilly the older ones, but not with direct injection they start straght away

 

[Turboman]

yes i know that but most diesels need heat especilly the older ones, but not with direct injection they start straght away

Indirect injectors need heat because they inject the fuel into a swirl chamber, which should be hot to give good combustion.

But, as wammers points out, both have been about since the early days.

 

[wammers]

yes i know that but most diesels need heat especilly the older ones, but not with direct injection they start straght away

Think you are getting a bit mixed up about your engines. Indirect injection is where fuel is injected into a manifold or venturi before the mixture enters the cylinder on petrol engines. Direct injection petrol engines inject directly into the cylinder as opposed to into the manifold or inlet tract. Fuel is injected into the compressed charge in the cylinder at or just before TDC that is how a diesel works. Diesels with the injector nozzle actually in the combustion chamber knock, that is why a pre-combustion chamber is used to help stop diesel knock. But fuel is still being injected into the compressed charge. Modern diesels use heater plugs to assist cold start because they are set lean to avoid the clouds of black smoke associated with diesel cold starts where extra fuel was introduced by a cold start lever.

 

[zen]

no he is not...idi is swirl pot diesels.(ie injector fires into swirl pot, requires glow pluds).di is non swirl pot direct injection diesel..(no (ususally) glow plugs)

 

[jamesmartin]

no he is not...idi is swirl pot diesels.(ie injector fires into swirl pot, requires glow pluds).di is non swirl pot direct injection diesel..(no (ususally) glow plugs)

true indirect combustion starts out side the cylinder in a hot spot (combustion chamber/swirl pot )

 

[wammers]

no he is not...idi is swirl pot diesels.(ie injector fires into swirl pot, requires glow pluds).di is non swirl pot direct injection diesel..(no (ususally) glow plugs)

The pre-combustion chamber is designed to prevent diesel knock. It gives a more controlled burn. Until the advent of pre-combustion chambers all diesels injected directly into the combustion chamber. That method is very old hat and not a new invention. You can have a pre-combustion chamber or a chamber in the top of the piston. Cold start in the old days consisted of a cold start lever when fuel was greatly increased for start up from cold. Modern engines for environmental reasons do not use this method. So glow plugs are used to introduce heat into the air charge for initial start up so a minimal increase in cold start fuel is needed. Think you will have to go back a long way to find a diesel without glow plugs.

 

[mgmayo]

The 200Tdi was one of the first mass-produced small-capacity (i.e., not a lorry engine) direct-injection diesels,[59] with the attendant improvements in power and efficiency that system brings - wiki
just quotin
I'm with zen on this

 

[tomcat59alan]

Sounds like an entertaining project too! Don't suppose yu have any pics of that?

I have actually, will have to dig it out.

 

[wammers]

The 200Tdi was one of the first mass-produced small-capacity (i.e., not a lorry engine) direct-injection diesels,[59] with the attendant improvements in power and efficiency that system brings - wiki
just quotin
I'm with zen on this

Rubbish. Turbo part maybe, direct injection never, smallish 2.2 litre direct injection diesels have been around for a very long time. Anyway it is just a play on words. With what people like to call direct injection the combustion space is in the top of the piston. With the what people like to call indirect injection the combustion space is moved from the top of the piston to a pre-combustion chamber so that a flat topped piston can be used to reduce diesel knock. 200 and 300 TDi engines rattle away like bloody farmyard tractors. Wiki is a wonderful way of obtaining incorrect information. Of course i have only worked on many different types of diesel engines for over fifty years so i don't know a lot about them.