tacr2man
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Back to basics using a jump start lead from battery neg terminal , clip other end onto engine ( this ensures a good earth path)
Make sure handbrake is on and out of gear
Connect a alternator output size wire , that is long enough to go from solenoid actuator terminal to positive terminal at battery , to the solenoid actuator terminal ( this is the terminal other than the big battery cable terminal) Remove the wire that is already there temporarily.
It is irrelevant whether ign is on or off
You then have to press bare wire at end of the wire against the pos battery terminal , at this point the starter should engage and continue to turn the engine untill you pull the wire away from the pos terminal
If the starter does not do this the problem is starter motor end
If starter operates positively , then your problem is with the wiring from ign switch to the solenoid terminal .
Make sure handbrake is on and out of gear
Connect a alternator output size wire , that is long enough to go from solenoid actuator terminal to positive terminal at battery , to the solenoid actuator terminal ( this is the terminal other than the big battery cable terminal) Remove the wire that is already there temporarily.
It is irrelevant whether ign is on or off
You then have to press bare wire at end of the wire against the pos battery terminal , at this point the starter should engage and continue to turn the engine untill you pull the wire away from the pos terminal
If the starter does not do this the problem is starter motor end
If starter operates positively , then your problem is with the wiring from ign switch to the solenoid terminal .
ZDomZ
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Starter has been tested in a very similar way already.
pardec
Active Member
Thanks for the suggestions so far, i will try them all.
Thought i would give a quick rundown of what i have done so far to save people reading through the whole thread.
Removed starter motor and tested - OK
Tested spare starter, same as - OK
Checked and cleaned all connections between starter-battery-alternator-earth
Checked and cleaned engine and gbox earths
Checked and cleaned battery earth
Replaced ignition switch
Tested starter motor while fitted (cable from battery to exciter terminal) **turned over**
Fitted new battery earth terminal clamp (original would tighten up enough)
Swapped out the Starter Motor relay with the HDC - No Change
Think thats everything....some things done more than once.
After replacing the ignition switch and a bit of tinkering it did start. Took for a drive to recharge the battery. It started on point a few times after getting back and then CLICK!
Thought i would give a quick rundown of what i have done so far to save people reading through the whole thread.
Removed starter motor and tested - OK
Tested spare starter, same as - OK
Checked and cleaned all connections between starter-battery-alternator-earth
Checked and cleaned engine and gbox earths
Checked and cleaned battery earth
Replaced ignition switch
Tested starter motor while fitted (cable from battery to exciter terminal) **turned over**
Fitted new battery earth terminal clamp (original would tighten up enough)
Swapped out the Starter Motor relay with the HDC - No Change
Think thats everything....some things done more than once.
After replacing the ignition switch and a bit of tinkering it did start. Took for a drive to recharge the battery. It started on point a few times after getting back and then CLICK!
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pardec
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Thanks for the suggestion, i don't have a haynes. Do you know where that is on RAVE?
tacr2man
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to try and prove the earth from starter relay is problem , you need testlight , and get power to test light , and then probe the sockets that pins 85 and 86 on relay plug in , one should light up testlight . HTSH
The starter relay earth wire is connected into the base of the engine bay fuse box (underneath)...via a connector block C0576 this is 3rd connector from the right
This connector/wire might just need a push in...sorry I dont know where the other end of the earth wire locates to...haynes dunt explain and I dont have Rave.
This connector/wire might just need a push in...sorry I dont know where the other end of the earth wire locates to...haynes dunt explain and I dont have Rave.
pardec
Active Member
Had a look on RAVE but doesn't give to much away. I think it earths underneath the fusebox. I'll check it out.
Might be a waste of time but i getting desperate and running out of ideas but i've took the battery back to get it checked and tested. It's still under warranty,can't hurt.
Been reading through RAVE and the relay earths at the bottom of he A post in the footwell.
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john t
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so i guess you have your battery confirmed as ok ?
what i would do now is remove the earth and +ve connections and give them a good clean and make sure the connections are firm especially at the starters bolt and where the earth connects to the gearbox casting,
now you need to establish if its the ignition switch,or starter solenoid.
1, turn ignition off
2, pull off the small connector that goes to the starter solenoid ,
3, with a piece of wire,or a spanner, make a brief connection from the main starter connection bolt to the solenoid terminal,(carefull not to touch anything earthed) you should hear the solenoid pull in and the starter motor should turn the engine,(engine will not start ) do this several times to confirm reliability.
if the solenoid pulls in ,but fails to turn the engine , you have a problem with the contacts in the solenoid.
if the engine turns you need to check out the ignition switch.
what i would do now is remove the earth and +ve connections and give them a good clean and make sure the connections are firm especially at the starters bolt and where the earth connects to the gearbox casting,
now you need to establish if its the ignition switch,or starter solenoid.
1, turn ignition off
2, pull off the small connector that goes to the starter solenoid ,
3, with a piece of wire,or a spanner, make a brief connection from the main starter connection bolt to the solenoid terminal,(carefull not to touch anything earthed) you should hear the solenoid pull in and the starter motor should turn the engine,(engine will not start ) do this several times to confirm reliability.
if the solenoid pulls in ,but fails to turn the engine , you have a problem with the contacts in the solenoid.
if the engine turns you need to check out the ignition switch.
pardec
Active Member
There bringing a new battery out in the morning.
I will give your suggestion a go tomorrow
pardec
Active Member
I've have ordered a multimeter, just need some advice on how to check everything. I presume i need to check at every connection from one end to the other
Have been reading through the wiring diagrams tryin to make some sense of where everything goes.
So far:
exciter terminal - connection in the Ebox - rear of engine fuse box- relay plugs in here
earth goes to bottom of A pillar
Ignition switch no1 terminal on plug - rear of engine fuse box
Does anyone know what the A607 means on the brown and red wire?
Have been reading through the wiring diagrams tryin to make some sense of where everything goes.
So far:
exciter terminal - connection in the Ebox - rear of engine fuse box- relay plugs in here
earth goes to bottom of A pillar
Ignition switch no1 terminal on plug - rear of engine fuse box
Does anyone know what the A607 means on the brown and red wire?
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pardec
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It's a td4 52 plate registered on the 31/12/2002
Hippo
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3 copies of rave available:
land rover rave technical system
rave01 = Range rover P38, Discovery 2, Defender 300tdi/Td5/v8, Freelander 1.8/td4/v6
rave02 = Range Rover P38 and L322, Defender 200/300tdi and v8
rave03 = Range Rover classic tdi/v8, Discovery 1995 onwards mpi/Tdi/v8, Freelander 1.8/L series
The rave disks download as .iso image files. After downloading them you need to use magiciso, 7-zip or winzip type programs to open them, to allow you to copy the rave folder out of the .iso image file.
And the Freelander 2 = http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f9/freelander-2-repair-maintenance-manual-234299.html
land rover rave technical system
rave01 = Range rover P38, Discovery 2, Defender 300tdi/Td5/v8, Freelander 1.8/td4/v6
rave02 = Range Rover P38 and L322, Defender 200/300tdi and v8
rave03 = Range Rover classic tdi/v8, Discovery 1995 onwards mpi/Tdi/v8, Freelander 1.8/L series
The rave disks download as .iso image files. After downloading them you need to use magiciso, 7-zip or winzip type programs to open them, to allow you to copy the rave folder out of the .iso image file.
And the Freelander 2 = http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f9/freelander-2-repair-maintenance-manual-234299.html
