Hippo
Lord Hippo
Those birds look nice. You get their numbers?
What's the initial verdict
Freelaner
Landy Driver
Hippo
Lord Hippo
Yer but no but she said I could have them. Phone numbers that is.Nah
Doris wunt let me
i meant the verdict on the tyres!
I like the STR’s and think they’re just as good as the Michelin XPC which was the bestist tyre fitted to FL1’s. The STR purchase was a sudden purchase. I would never go back to AT2’s or a rough tyre again. The STR is biased just right for on and oft road use.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
We had STR's fitted to my wifes VW Tiguan last year. 25,000 on and they are half worn so they last better than the Bridgestones it came with by 50%!
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Freelaner
Landy Driver
Singvogel
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Hippo
Lord Hippo
I thought that too but tyre fitters tell you to only use the rating from the vehicle manufaturer. Hence I got 98H recently. When I asked about V rating as an alternative (higher speed) they wouldn't fit or sell them to me. Tyre manufacturer said something about load dynamics. So I went with 98H as thats what LR ses so I won't get problems with tyres or insurance.
Singvogel
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What a load of bollox tyre fitters speak, in an effort usually to sell you what they either want to get off the shelves and/or make more profit from.
I personally would not recommend it, but in the UK you can legally fit any load rating/speed rating you wish. A remould on an E-type is not illegal. Not even looked at in an MOT for example. Eyebows raised perhaps - but not a fail.
In the UK only your insurance company would be concerned if you 'undertyred' your car - i.e. fitted a tyre of less capacity (load & speed) compared to the original fitments/minimum for the vehicles capabilities. Other EU countries are much more strict.
As far as a Freelanders max axle load is concerned - it's 1120Kg on the rear axle so actually an 88 load-rated tyre would be the minimum capacity, according to the charts. Not adviseable as there is no safety margin.
However - there is nowhere that I know of that would not allow 'overtyring' - fitting tyres of a higher load rating or speed rating.
It is even mentioned in most tyre companies Technical Data worksheets and booklets.
I'm currently running 99W tyres - they stick like glue to the road.
Singvogel.
Hippo
Lord Hippo
I can't agree with that. Fitting a tyre not recommended for a vehicle is simply wrong. Under load would cause issues during an investigation into an accident. Insurance companies warn of the risk of invalidating insurance:
http://www.tesco-tyres.com/help/load-rating
http://www.blackcircles.com/general/load-rating
It could be considered just talk to get you to buy different tyres, but peeps are advised to fit the correct tyre according to the manufacturer. That must be for a reason. I wasn't in any way cornered by my decision to replace tyres and could have walked away (phoned beforehand) as my existing tyres were 30% worn approx. I changed them as they're a crap ride and crap generally. Most fitters don’t stock our sizes. Not as popular as say a focus tyre.
We may have to agree to disagree on this.
Hippo
Lord Hippo
Most peeps don't go down to the legal limit and prefer to replace at the latest at 3mm left as this is when you start to struggle to clear water. I can recommend the Pirelli Scorpion STR. Just got some for my v6 £571 for 5x tyres fitted. 215/65R16 98H.
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Singvogel
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Hippo: I don't think we are in any real disagreement at all.
I reckon that the correct tyre for any vehicle is the one the vehicle manufacturer recommends - or one with a higher rating.
I was making the point that the law and the MOT in the UK would not be broken if someone 'foolishly' fitted tyres of a lesser spec. I certainly wouldn't do that or recommend anyone else to do that.
A tyre fitter not wanting to supply higher rated tyres is just showing his ignorance of tyre technology, and tyre manufacturers' current thinking.
The Technical Support Data pages from Continental clearly states that:
"The use of higher grade tyres is permitted. Both for greater load and speed."
Singvogel.
I reckon that the correct tyre for any vehicle is the one the vehicle manufacturer recommends - or one with a higher rating.
I was making the point that the law and the MOT in the UK would not be broken if someone 'foolishly' fitted tyres of a lesser spec. I certainly wouldn't do that or recommend anyone else to do that.
A tyre fitter not wanting to supply higher rated tyres is just showing his ignorance of tyre technology, and tyre manufacturers' current thinking.
The Technical Support Data pages from Continental clearly states that:
"The use of higher grade tyres is permitted. Both for greater load and speed."
Singvogel.
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Nodge68
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Most peeps don't go down to the legal limit and prefer to replace at the latest at 3mm left as this is when you start to struggle to clear water. I can recommend the Pirelli Scorpion STR. Just got some for my v6 £571 for 5x tyres fitted. 215/65R16 98H.
I'm going to stick to the Wranglers HP as they seem pretty good and certainly last well. I'm not going to knock the Scorpions though, I know they are good as I had them fitted to my wife's VW Tiguan but weather they are worth the extra cost over the Wranglers i'm not sure??
Hippo
Lord Hippo
Singvogel,
A tyre rated at less than the manufacturers spec would be considered not fit for purpose, as its not what the manufacturer rates for the vehicle. If something has a rating then the rating is there for a reason. Insurance companies warn about this so there must be some justification for this. I know they go on speed and load but thats in relation to the factors under use. I always thought the load limit was down to max weight too. Max number of pigs on board etc. But talking to the tyre manufacturers on their help line opened my eyes. They have a hidden wealth of knowledge. I didnt realise just how much goes on during their design and testing phase. Worst case max load is always on the front under heavy/full braking. 2nd worse case is cornering at speed on the front tyres. Under both of these conditions sidewalls are working nearest to their designed upper limit - max stress my words. This is where they refer to load dynamics and other stuff. Talk of sheer strength of the tyre sidewall to keep the stability of the tyre - in my words building it so it dunt destruct and keeps rolling. They advised my side wobble would go if I went from T back to H due to stronger construction, and it has. If I went above H the stronger construction would affect the ride. I dont see why this is the case but its what Ive been told and I dont have a chance of testing this. The higher rating cost more when I was looking. A common factor of late is peeps referring to my oft road tyres as budget. Its annoyed me before but I now have the answer. Parently 4x4s years ago had tyres built like van tyre construction with oft road biased tread on them. That may be a crude description. Our budget smaller size oft road tyres are lesser in strength, hence the budget phrase. Its because they int built like van tyres so dont have the additional strength. I thought they did. I know 4x4 tyres are stronger but somehow thought 4x4 tyres which were more biased to oft road use would be even stronger. So I cut an AT2 to compare against a previous pic of a cut XPC (I know its a waste but Ill never use them anyway). AT2 looked to have deeper tread on same build tyre. Ive filmed the force on my front tyres under heavy/full braking. I knew the front end whet down due to suspension but didnt realise just how much the wheel rim lowers too. AT2 drops more than the STR. If you have the chance try to get a tyre shop to show you the tyres removed from other vehicles. Tyres with metal wires showing and sidewalls with rubber peeling back an inch. One set from a car with tread grooves re-cut by their owner which. At the end of the day were all happy with the tyres we have and my change has revolutionised my Freelanders ride. It's cleared up a number of problems I had, at the same time. On to the next problem to solve...
Nodge68,
Only time will tell if my STRs last ok. Its a Freelander so theyll probably outlast the rest of it.
A tyre rated at less than the manufacturers spec would be considered not fit for purpose, as its not what the manufacturer rates for the vehicle. If something has a rating then the rating is there for a reason. Insurance companies warn about this so there must be some justification for this. I know they go on speed and load but thats in relation to the factors under use. I always thought the load limit was down to max weight too. Max number of pigs on board etc. But talking to the tyre manufacturers on their help line opened my eyes. They have a hidden wealth of knowledge. I didnt realise just how much goes on during their design and testing phase. Worst case max load is always on the front under heavy/full braking. 2nd worse case is cornering at speed on the front tyres. Under both of these conditions sidewalls are working nearest to their designed upper limit - max stress my words. This is where they refer to load dynamics and other stuff. Talk of sheer strength of the tyre sidewall to keep the stability of the tyre - in my words building it so it dunt destruct and keeps rolling. They advised my side wobble would go if I went from T back to H due to stronger construction, and it has. If I went above H the stronger construction would affect the ride. I dont see why this is the case but its what Ive been told and I dont have a chance of testing this. The higher rating cost more when I was looking. A common factor of late is peeps referring to my oft road tyres as budget. Its annoyed me before but I now have the answer. Parently 4x4s years ago had tyres built like van tyre construction with oft road biased tread on them. That may be a crude description. Our budget smaller size oft road tyres are lesser in strength, hence the budget phrase. Its because they int built like van tyres so dont have the additional strength. I thought they did. I know 4x4 tyres are stronger but somehow thought 4x4 tyres which were more biased to oft road use would be even stronger. So I cut an AT2 to compare against a previous pic of a cut XPC (I know its a waste but Ill never use them anyway). AT2 looked to have deeper tread on same build tyre. Ive filmed the force on my front tyres under heavy/full braking. I knew the front end whet down due to suspension but didnt realise just how much the wheel rim lowers too. AT2 drops more than the STR. If you have the chance try to get a tyre shop to show you the tyres removed from other vehicles. Tyres with metal wires showing and sidewalls with rubber peeling back an inch. One set from a car with tread grooves re-cut by their owner which. At the end of the day were all happy with the tyres we have and my change has revolutionised my Freelanders ride. It's cleared up a number of problems I had, at the same time. On to the next problem to solve...
Nodge68,
Only time will tell if my STRs last ok. Its a Freelander so theyll probably outlast the rest of it.
Singvogel
Well-Known Member
Hippo:
From that last post of yours I think we are in agreement.
I too have been in touch with tyre makers customer assistance dudes.
To too many folks tyres are just round rubber black things to be 'panic bought' when the tread runs low!
I agree that we are obviously happy with the tyres we have. Mine too completely changed the handling and safety of my Freelander.
I run heavily loaded for long distances in extreme temps (36 to 40 degrees) and needed something a bit more robust.
I too have looked at the cornering forces acting on them and there is a whole lot of difference between the sidewall distortion on my 235/55 17 V rated 4X4 ones and the same size W rated 'sports' jobs - the Ws are much stiffer and 'bumpier' in that they do not absorb much road irregularities, but really give meaning to the expression 'cornering on rails'.
Winter is on it's way now so more tyre threads will no doubt be coming.
A/T tyres versus dedicated 'snow' tyres no doubt.
Bring 'em on.
Singvogel.
From that last post of yours I think we are in agreement.
I too have been in touch with tyre makers customer assistance dudes.
To too many folks tyres are just round rubber black things to be 'panic bought' when the tread runs low!
I agree that we are obviously happy with the tyres we have. Mine too completely changed the handling and safety of my Freelander.
I run heavily loaded for long distances in extreme temps (36 to 40 degrees) and needed something a bit more robust.
I too have looked at the cornering forces acting on them and there is a whole lot of difference between the sidewall distortion on my 235/55 17 V rated 4X4 ones and the same size W rated 'sports' jobs - the Ws are much stiffer and 'bumpier' in that they do not absorb much road irregularities, but really give meaning to the expression 'cornering on rails'.
Winter is on it's way now so more tyre threads will no doubt be coming.
A/T tyres versus dedicated 'snow' tyres no doubt.
Bring 'em on.
Singvogel.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
Nodge68,
Only time will tell if my STRs last ok. Its a Freelander so theyll probably outlast the rest of it.
After the work i'v put into my V6 recently I hope it works trouble free for while it least!!
