What's this going to cost ????

So the Perkins Diesel is dead and I have a feeling too costly to revive.
From advice on the forum, to get more power, less noise, etc a 200tdi would be a good option in the 109 SIII.
Is this relatively straight forward for a mechanic or are we talking about a project here?
As I really need this Landie back on the road I'm hoping it's relatively straight forward. Would it mate to my current gearbox, and would the overdrive still be needed/used?
And finally, all told, is this going to cost me a fortune?
Amblik
...... If you are in N Wilts and fancy tendering for this, please get in touch

just cos you can't start it doesn't mean it's dead - have you taken it to anyone or are you happy to bin it just on the random say so's of a few net peeps ?

it take a lot to kill a Perkins

Guess you may be right. Compression failed after a overheating problem, don't think it's the head, but considering I'd only had the vehicle two days, kinda lost my faith in the engine. Perhaps you may bring me round to the idea of repairing it.
Am getting a diagnosis this Sunday when RAC come round to " home start " it, so we will see.
Also, as it is a high torque, low rev engine, I would worry about constantly over revving it.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Amblik

have you done ANY tests on it ?

remove the head and inspect it and see how bad it is .....may only need a skim/light rebuild

As I'm not familiar with diesel engines whatsoever, other than just turning it over for a while, no, have not done any tests. But having owned several old VW petrol engines that died, the loud clattering of valves and the decompression of the engine coupled with the associated high temps, lend themselves to me thinking head gasket - although a petrol engine would usually start, i realise a diesel wouldn't.
If I had the liberty of having this as a Sunday vehicle, I would have a lot more time to get to know it. I will in the coming year, but I'm very busy this time of year and really need this car running, so please don't confuse my urgency with a lack of enthusiasm.
Thanks
Amblik

amblik said:

Is this relatively straight forward for a mechanic or are we talking about a project here?
given time, yes, should be reletively straight forward for a mechanic that is into modifying bits. it would not be straight forward for a parts swapper mechanic. (no offence, was referring to kwik fit type places)
, and would the overdrive still be needed/used?
it will probably eat it, along with the series box unless driven really carefully. cant remember what box was mated to the last one i did, but it was a 5 speed box.
And finally, all told, is this going to cost me a fortune?
as above, last one i did was finished off from a garage that ran out of time for it. basically they put the engine in with mounts and bolted it to the box.
i finished off the crap engine mounts, exhaust downpipe, intercooler pipework, elecrics, air filter and brackets, throttle cabling and brackets, oil cooler pipework, rad install, and some missed bits.
had best part of a weeks work including getting it back to the shop. (might have been an mot as well, cant remember)
Amblik
...... If you are in N Wilts and fancy tendering for this, please get in touch

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oh, sorry i'm nowhere near N Wilts.
this bits cos it wouldnt let me post cos i answered within the quote.

if your in a hurry probably best to try revive the Perkins but if you go for the 200tdi I prefer them without the turbo.......easier to fit and kicks out about 80 bhp which your series drive train will be happy with.....and yes keep the overdrive.
If you still have 4cyl bell housing the 200 bolts straight up to it....just need to mod the right hand engine mount. What takes up the time is fiddling round sorting cables, wires, pipes and exhaust.....well worth it though, makes for a lovely series motor, nice and torquey and with the overdrive she'll be happy at 70 mph on the motorway.....only drawback is without the turbo they are noisy

amblik said:

From advice on the forum, to get more power, less noise, etc a 200tdi would be a good option in the 109 SIII.
Is this relatively straight forward for a mechanic or are we talking about a project here?

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A 200 from a Discovery is not an easy fit into a 109; the low slung turbo gets in the way of the chassis. A 200 from a Defender doesn't have this issue as the turbo is higher mounted....however the Defender engine commands a price premium for this reason (they are in fact an easier fit in all Series LRs)

The 300 has a high mounted turbo in both forms, but you will need to fabricate chassis mounts for the chassis as they are not a straight fit.

Swings and roundabouts I am afraid, no single answer really.

It is not all a bolt in job either, there will be some fabrication and modification. It is also worth trying to keep as many LR parts as possible.

As a guide I estimate between £1000 and £1200 to fit a Discovery 200 Tdi into a Series LR. That includes the donor engine which gets and oil change and a cam belt as a matter of course before fitting.

Best to take this to PMs or email if you want to discuss further.....don't want to get flamed as a 'spammer'

HTH

blue beasty said:

if your in a hurry probably best to try revive the Perkins but if you go for the 200tdi I prefer them without the turbo.......easier to fit and kicks out about 80 bhp which your series drive train will be happy with.....and yes keep the overdrive.
If you still have 4cyl bell housing the 200 bolts straight up to it....just need to mod the right hand engine mount. What takes up the time is fiddling round sorting cables, wires, pipes and exhaust.....well worth it though, makes for a lovely series motor, nice and torquey and with the overdrive she'll be happy at 70 mph on the motorway.....only drawback is without the turbo they are noisy

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yes it maybe easyer to fit without the turbo buts thats not much more than a well running 2.25 petrol or 2.5 na why bother with a 200tdi without turbo makes no sense to me :/

Coz a 200DI is meant to be absolutely indestructable?

so is a 2.5 na if well treated, and not rearlly as they coke up alot more

109party said:

yes it maybe easyer to fit without the turbo buts thats not much more than a well running 2.25 petrol or 2.5 na why bother with a 200tdi without turbo makes no sense to me :/

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cos its 40 year old engineering and wasnt designed for that power.
if you want the 200tdi, reliability, full power, buy a 110 with it fitted.
or put one in the series and drive it carefully.

so dont stick a 200tdi stick a 2.5 na or 2.5td you can the td to go like stink just aswell

I've just put a 19j in my 109. I wouldn't have gone out of my way to obtain one but I had it already and knew it was ok. It's absolutely great in my 109 truck cab. Flies up hills in top gear that I used to really struggle up with the old engine. Yet with still a lot less hp than a tdi it hopefully won't break anything. Trouble is I want an overdrive now.