New MOT Test

bazzerh said:

By the way, A rangerover towing a trailer carrying goods for hire or reward purposes is over 3.5 tonnes GTW (gross train weight) so is also subject to Tachograph rules, eg. must have a tachograph fitted, calibrated and in use and the driver subject to EU drivers hours rules. This has been the case for many, many years.
Examples of this are car dealers/garages moving cars within the course of their business!

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There is a little proviso there, the tacho rules and similar only apply for most business use, you can tow your own caravan with no tacho, but not deliver one to someone else.

If you passed your first car test after 1/1/1997, driving most landrover products with an average (or even quite small & light) family caravan is actually illegal without a seperate trailer test (+E entitlement), or of course you can get a suitably qualified supervisor and stick L plates on if you wished.

byway-basher said:

There is a little proviso there, the tacho rules and similar only apply for most business use, you can tow your own caravan with no tacho, but not deliver one to someone else.

If you passed your first car test after 1/1/1997, driving most landrover products with an average (or even quite small & light) family caravan is actually illegal without a seperate trailer test (+E entitlement), or of course you can get a suitably qualified supervisor and stick L plates on if you wished.

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1) Towing a trailer carrying goods for hire and reward is business use, towing a caravan isn't as you say unless you are delivering it for hire or reward eg. someone is paying you to do it.

2) The small trailer you refer to is one under 750kgs Gross weight. Practically any trailer with brakes will be over 750kgs. (its a requirement of con & use regs 1986 If a caravan is under 750kgs Gross then its ok if its over then C1+E would be required or perhaps B+E in certain circumstances.

bazzerh said:

1) Towing a trailer carrying goods for hire and reward is business use, towing a caravan isn't as you say unless you are delivering it for hire or reward eg. someone is paying you to do it.

2) The small trailer you refer to is one under 750kgs Gross weight. Practically any trailer with brakes will be over 750kgs. (its a requirement of con & use regs 1986 If a caravan is under 750kgs Gross then its ok if its over then C1+E would be required or perhaps B+E in certain circumstances.

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Not as simple as that you can tow a braked trailer without B+E where the trailers mam is less than the unladen weight of the vehicle and the combined GTW doesn't exceed 3.500kg so you can tow upto 1100kg with a 90 if you can find a trailer plated for that MAM.

so when i tow the wood mizer on the rangeie is it illegal?its 26ft long and weighs 4 tons.

redhand said:

Not as simple as that you can tow a braked trailer without B+E where the trailers mam is less than the unladen weight of the vehicle and the combined GTW doesn't exceed 3.500kg so you can tow upto 1100kg with a 90 if you can find a trailer plated for that MAM.

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Yup, its a pain, and not very consistent in some respects. Our family caravan is an old, and by most standards light one at 970kg mam, legal for a new driver to tow with the 200bhp, 4.0 litre J45p, but not legal for the 200tdi disco with little more than half the power. All because the disco has a max weight of 320kg more than the yank motor. Once you get up to disco and 110 types of wieghts, if the trailer weighs much more than 750kg fully laden its not allowed for newer drivers. Given a modern family caravan these days can be over 1500kg, I suspect there are lot of younger familys running round in 4x4s with caravans on the back illegaly.

Beast o Bodmin said:

so when i tow the wood mizer on the rangeie is it illegal?its 26ft long and weighs 4 tons.

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yup unless yu got airbrakes fitted.

Beast o Bodmin said:

so when i tow the wood mizer on the rangeie is it illegal?its 26ft long and weighs 4 tons.

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I'm all interested now - what model Mizer is it ?

eightinavee said:

I'm all interested now - what model Mizer is it ?

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lt70

eerrr 4 imperial tonnes...

Thats a nice tool,we often have one working in the woods next to my workshop - looks very similar to yours.Last time it was here it broke down,just been "serviced". I was on my way home past it and they asked me what I thought was wrong - the fuel filter on the side of the Lombardini motor looked as old as the machine......
Dont think the owner got invoiced for the breakdown call out.

Beast o Bodmin said:

eerrr 4 imperial tonnes...

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According to the manufacturers spec the LT70 weighs 4950Lbs or just short of 2 tonnes with the trailer option (1982Kgs)