Miles Per Gallon

What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?
That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours about
the Tax shooting up to over £250

Any advice would be very grateful

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On 2006-07-18, Larry Gold <[email protected]> wrote:

> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?

1994 Land Rover Defender 110, about 30MPG diesel

1973 Steyr-Puch Pinzgauer 712M, about 16MPG petrol (although that's a 6x6).

Get a copy of one of the car mags that has tables listing car details,
including MPG, then you can compare them. 4x4s aren't always the hogs
that the media whines on about, often much better than other more
conventional cars, e.g. big jag or subaru impreza.

> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours about
> the Tax shooting up to over £250

The Lib Dems want to put it to £2,000, but what's the chances of them
getting into power? Whatever the cost, it's once yearly so don't
sweat it. Also tax hikes so far have only applied to new vehicles, my
Defender tax has risen by just £5.

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Larry Gold came up with the following;:
> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?
> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours about
> the Tax shooting up to over £250

'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi (2.5 litre diesel) does about 28 to 32
mpg solo empty or loaded makes little difference, the variance comes from my
driving. It does about 22 to 24 mpg towing a caravan, again empty or fully
loaded makes little to no difference, the wind _does_ make a big difference.
Managed about 30 mpg towing a horse box and two horses from South Wales to
Doncaster once, but that was only doing about 45 ish mph.

Tax only went up a fiver. It won't be applied retro-actively, so can only
apply to new vehicles.

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Paul - xxx wrote:
> Larry Gold came up with the following;:
>
>> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?
>> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours
>> about
>> the Tax shooting up to over £250
>
>
> '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi (2.5 litre diesel) does about 28 to
> 32 mpg solo empty or loaded makes little difference, the variance comes
> from my driving. It does about 22 to 24 mpg towing a caravan, again
> empty or fully loaded makes little to no difference, the wind _does_
> make a big difference. Managed about 30 mpg towing a horse box and two
> horses from South Wales to Doncaster once, but that was only doing about
> 45 ish mph.
>
> Tax only went up a fiver. It won't be applied retro-actively, so can
> only apply to new vehicles.
>

My mum manages to get nearer 40mpg out of their TDi Disco!

Tim A

Tim Adlam came up with the following;:
> Paul - xxx wrote:
>> Larry Gold came up with the following;:
>>
>>> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?
>>> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours
>>> about
>>> the Tax shooting up to over £250
>>
>>
>> '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi (2.5 litre diesel) does about 28 to
>> 32 mpg solo empty or loaded makes little difference, the variance comes
>> from my driving. It does about 22 to 24 mpg towing a caravan, again
>> empty or fully loaded makes little to no difference, the wind _does_
>> make a big difference. Managed about 30 mpg towing a horse box and two
>> horses from South Wales to Doncaster once, but that was only doing about
>> 45 ish mph.
>>
>> Tax only went up a fiver. It won't be applied retro-actively, so can
>> only apply to new vehicles.
>>
>
> My mum manages to get nearer 40mpg out of their TDi Disco!

Good for her, she probably drives a little more sedately than I ..

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About 17MPG from my RR '94 classic in town, but then I have a 120
litre LPG tank, so the cost is respectful.
On a run I have about a 350 mile range before petrol kicks in..(or I
find another LPG station).

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:20:24 +0100, "Paul - xxx"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Larry Gold came up with the following;:
>> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?
>> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours about
>> the Tax shooting up to over £250
>
>'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi (2.5 litre diesel) does about 28 to 32
>mpg solo empty or loaded makes little difference, the variance comes from my
>driving. It does about 22 to 24 mpg towing a caravan, again empty or fully
>loaded makes little to no difference, the wind _does_ make a big difference.
>Managed about 30 mpg towing a horse box and two horses from South Wales to
>Doncaster once, but that was only doing about 45 ish mph.
>
>Tax only went up a fiver. It won't be applied retro-actively, so can only
>apply to new vehicles.

[email protected] wrote:
> About 17MPG from my RR '94 classic in town, but then I have a 120
> litre LPG tank, so the cost is respectful.
> On a run I have about a 350 mile range before petrol kicks in..(or I
> find another LPG station).
>
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:20:24 +0100, "Paul - xxx"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Larry Gold came up with the following;:
>>> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?
>>> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the
>>> rumours about the Tax shooting up to over £250
>>
>> '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi (2.5 litre diesel) does about 28
>> to 32 mpg solo empty or loaded makes little difference, the variance
>> comes from my driving. It does about 22 to 24 mpg towing a caravan,
>> again empty or fully loaded makes little to no difference, the wind
>> _does_ make a big difference. Managed about 30 mpg towing a horse
>> box and two horses from South Wales to Doncaster once, but that was
>> only doing about 45 ish mph.
>>
>> Tax only went up a fiver. It won't be applied retro-actively, so
>> can only apply to new vehicles.

23 MPG out of my 2001 Jeep Wrangler, country driving - 4 x 4 down to 15 mpg.
Lushy in Australia

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:04:58 +0100, Ian Rawlings wrote:

>> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?

DII 2.5 turbo diesel. 28.7mpg averaged over 23568 miles.

A regular long distance run (200 mile round trip) 40% minor country
roads, 50% cruise on at between 60mph and 65mpg, 10% inner city returns
over 30mpg for the trip.

> Whatever the cost, it's once yearly so don't sweat it. Also tax hikes
> so far have only applied to new vehicles, my Defender tax has risen by
> just £5.

Agreed, the fuel bill is far bigger. That 23568 miles has cost £3395.20
in 19 months or around £2150/year...

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45 MPG from our D-4D 03 RAV 4. That's just 'normal' driving.
With some effort it'll do better than 50MPG

"Larry Gold" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?
> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours about
> the Tax shooting up to over £250
>
> Any advice would be very grateful
>
> thanks
> --
> Larry Gold
> Arsenal For Life
>

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:02:26 +0100, Steve Olive wrote:

>> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?

Disco II TD5 on about 56,000, I hope to run it up to 200,000+.

>> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours
>> about the Tax shooting up to over £250

Why all this fuss about road tax? I guess it's because: a) It goes
directly to HMG. b) You get nothing but a pretty bit of coloured paper
for it. c) You pay it in one lump.

£250 is only around 4 fill ups for me and I fill on average every 10 days
or so. Between 23 Nov 04 and 16 Sep 06 I've spent £3,784.76 on fuel
driving 26,310 miles. Other costs (insurance, maintenace, etc but *NOT*
depreciation) have been £3983.12 = Total £7767.88 in 22 months or about
£4,250/year. £250 is not a particulary significant amount.

My MPG? Ave 28.9 but recently has been consistently above 30.

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On 2006-09-23, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:

> Why all this fuss about road tax? I guess it's because: a) It goes
> directly to HMG. b) You get nothing but a pretty bit of coloured paper
> for it. c) You pay it in one lump.

The bitch about road tax for me is that I work from home so don't
drive much and have four cars, most of which rarely move, and yet I
pay far more tax than a far more polluting daily commuter. So
slapping a few quid on such a daft tax and using bunny hugging as an
excuse is irritating. The cash isn't really a problem, but it's the
pathetic posturing over environmentalism that gets my goat.

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Larry Gold ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

> What sort of mileage do you get out of your 4x4s?

Do you mean that in the American sense of the word "Mileage"? ie. Fuel
economy?

> That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours
> about the Tax shooting up to over £250

You do know that it's not "tax on 4x4s" that's being raised, don't you?

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 07:45:23 +0100, Ian Rawlings wrote:

> The bitch about road tax for me is that I work from home so don't
> drive much and have four cars, most of which rarely move,

Er why do you have four cars if, by your own admission, you don't use
'em? Strikes me as a bit silly... B-)

> and yet I pay far more tax than a far more polluting daily commuter.

eh? Assuming all things equal, like commuter also having 4 cars, you pay
the same tax. Yes the commuter pollutes more but that doesn't affect this
tax level but then he pays way more in fuel duty.

> So slapping a few quid on such a daft tax and using bunny hugging as an
> excuse is irritating.

Bunnies shoot the litle perishers, almost overrun by the things here.
Farmers don't like 'em as they compete for grazing and trample the grass.

But yes hanging Road Tax increases on "green issues" is not fair on those
that need a vechicle, ie. almost everyone living outside of any medium
sized town, due to no public transport. Be much fairer to put 1% on fuel
duty, those that use more fuel, thus pollute more, pay more.

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On 2006-09-24, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:

> Er why do you have four cars if, by your own admission, you don't use
> 'em? Strikes me as a bit silly... B-)

Because I'm a car nut! One common mile-eater, a practical pick-up
off-roader, a six-wheeled army truck and a small plastic british
sports car. When I drive, I'm either going out on-site, shopping, or
doing something odd in an odd vehicle, or picking up parts for those
that are in bits (the army truck and the small plastic sports car).
I'm sitting here right now covered in grease and spiders' webs after
having been rolling around under the army truck pulling bits off in
readiness for new parts arriving soon (fingers crossed).

> eh? Assuming all things equal, like commuter also having 4 cars, you pay
> the same tax. Yes the commuter pollutes more but that doesn't affect this
> tax level but then he pays way more in fuel duty.

No, what I mean is that most people only have one car, I have four,
only two of which are practical forms of transport, and I rarely drive
any of them but I pay far more in road tax than those who drive to
work every day, clogging the roads and cities.

> But yes hanging Road Tax increases on "green issues" is not fair on those
> that need a vechicle, ie. almost everyone living outside of any medium
> sized town, due to no public transport. Be much fairer to put 1% on fuel
> duty, those that use more fuel, thus pollute more, pay more.

Fuel costs are the way to go, already they make travel expensive, it's
just a shame that public transport is so ****e. Out here in the
sticks it's hard if you don't have a working car as the public
transport is either expensive taxis, or it starts at 10:00 AM and
finishes at 16:00 which is useless for the daily commute. Otherwise
you'd have to depend on the goodwill of others giving you lifts.

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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:07:54 +0100, Ian Rawlings wrote:

>> Er why do you have four cars if, by your own admission, you don't use
>> 'em? Strikes me as a bit silly... B-)
>
> Because I'm a car nut!

Ah so they are your hobby. Sorry hobbies cost... B-)

> No, what I mean is that most people only have one car,

Round here most have at least two, many have quads and tractors as well.

> Out here in the sticks it's hard if you don't have a working car as the
> public transport is either expensive taxis, or it starts at 10:00 AM
> and finishes at 16:00 which is useless for the daily commute.

You have start and finish times? That implies a regular service between
those times, WOW! Out of term time there is one bus mid morning and one
mid afternoon M-F, not sure of the sat/sun buses. During term time there
is also the school bus that passes here at 0830 and 1600.

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On 2006-09-25, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ah so they are your hobby. Sorry hobbies cost... B-)

Certainly, but it doesn't mean I have to take it like a man!

> Round here most have at least two, many have quads and tractors as well.

Tsk, round here it's pit ponies, or small children pulling carts,
given the whip when they're slacking.

> You have start and finish times? That implies a regular service between
> those times, WOW!

Well, we have timetables, I've never actually seen any of the busses!
I heard there haven't been any since one broke down, something about a
boiler exploding?

> Out of term time there is one bus mid morning and one
> mid afternoon M-F, not sure of the sat/sun buses. During term time there
> is also the school bus that passes here at 0830 and 1600.

Heh, I've just checked my bus timetable, no busses at all at the
weekend, but during the week busses leave at 07:15 and 09:13, and
arrive at 14:47, 17:56 and 18:50 if someone on the bus wants to go
that far, with this being the start and end stop for the line. No
other busses at all other than those. The bus goes east from here, no
busses out to the west, north or south despite there being large
cities in those directions.

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>
> > That is what is worrying me about buying a 4x4, and also the rumours
> > about the Tax shooting up to over £2500
>
> You do know that it's not "tax on 4x4s" that's being raised, don't you?

Surely all those Chelsea tractors will disappear ?

They have been giving decent people a bad name

My P38 2.5TD (BMW engine) fitted with the Rimmer Bros powere upgrade does 26 around time, 24 if driven hard and 31-31 on a run. I have an easy solution if our rotten corrupt government puts any more tax on cars - I will bail out of the UK. It's went down the pan a long time ago by the idiots signing our rights away to Europe. Then Mr.Blair can extract all the taxes he want from all the immigrant workers.

1997 tdi disco ave about 30mpg, my missus has a 2.0 litre beelte and that cost the same to run as my disco and the tax is the same give or take a fiver, I think the new taxation only applies to cars newer than 2001 and please correct me if I am wrong will only really hurt the petrol 4x4's

My MPG? Ave 28.9 but recently has been consistently above 30.

Probably after fitting an EGR blanking plate for a fiver!