Does anyone know this S2? PBF559J

This might be a long shot but it would be interesting to know more.

My dad and a friend rebuilt and drove this landy all the way across Africa in 1975. He flew back from south Africa and left the car there, I think he said it was sold there.
The registration is PBF559J

I looked on the DVLA site and it seems to suggest it may have been brought back to England, as it is declared SORN but also registered as being cream, last we know it was blue.
Is it likely it's somewhere in the country obviously not on the road, does anyone recognise it?
here's some photos





what do you guys think?
i also have a few more photos if anyone is interested

EDIT: Sorry should say 2a, It was registered 1970 and possibly given some s3 parts by my dad in 1975

Yes, more pics please!

dominicbeesley said:

Yes, more pics please!

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go on then!






I'd love to know if anyone has seen this one since

just had a longer chat with my dad about this. He thinks it's possible that the friend drove the car back again, or maybe had it shipped, but he hasn't really kept in contact since then and isn't sure, so there is definitely a good chance it's still here.

If it had been scrapped then would this show on the DVLA lookup page?
this is how it looks now

I'm confident that's the car

If it had been scrapped it wouldn't necessarily show up - but it says the SORN is due to expire so that means it has been SORN'd and is known to the DVLA this year.

If you break a car up you technically break the law since this isn't allowed any more - it has to be done by an approved recycler who will issue a 'certificate of destruction'. If you don't do it this way you retain the need to declare SORN for the rest of your life, you remain liable until they get that certificate which can be difficult if you don't have the car any more. This is the only way a car can show up as scrapped now, you can not self declare it.

Based on the info you have it exists in this country, whether it is the car your father drove isn't clear from this - chassis number etc. If that car never came back it would be very easy to steal / ring another using the old cars details and the chances of that being discovered are remote.

BenKenobi said:

If it had been scrapped it wouldn't necessarily show up - but it says the SORN is due to expire so that means it has been SORN'd and is known to the DVLA this year.

If you break a car up you technically break the law since this isn't allowed any more - it has to be done by an approved recycler who will issue a 'certificate of destruction'. If you don't do it this way you retain the need to declare SORN for the rest of your life, you remain liable until they get that certificate which can be difficult if you don't have the car any more. This is the only way a car can show up as scrapped now, you can not self declare it.

Based on the info you have it exists in this country, whether it is the car your father drove isn't clear from this - chassis number etc. If that car never came back it would be very easy to steal / ring another using the old cars details and the chances of that being discovered are remote.

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that's interesting thanks, i know there's little chance of finding it, but it would be interesting to see it, the its a good chance to share the photos too.

Actually you could find it. If you send a letter to the DVLA explaining your reasons with a specific form they will 'potentially' tell you the registered keepers details. Can't remember the form number but I did it for tracking down my mothers old car (sadly long disappeared along with the registered keeper who wasn't at the location DVLA had)

BenKenobi said:

Actually you could find it. If you send a letter to the DVLA explaining your reasons with a specific form they will 'potentially' tell you the registered keepers details. Can't remember the form number but I did it for tracking down my mothers old car (sadly long disappeared along with the registered keeper who wasn't at the location DVLA had)

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that is interesting, i may chase that route, i could always call them and ask about the process for doing it, maybe just explain i would like to share some of the history with the owner. If i wan't in the middle of a ground up rebuild i'd be interested in rebuilding this just with a sense of pointless nostalgia

BenKenobi said:

If you break a car up you technically break the law since this isn't allowed any more - it has to be done by an approved recycler who will issue a 'certificate of destruction'. If you don't do it this way you retain the need to declare SORN for the rest of your life, you remain liable until they get that certificate which can be difficult if you don't have the car any more. This is the only way a car can show up as scrapped now, you can not self declare it.

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piffle, there's always ways of declaring a car scrapped

try phoning dvla before coming out with misleading statements like that

if nothing else i'd phone them to inform them i'd broken the car up and telling them i'll be sending in the V5 with the following, then i'd cross the V5 and write scrapped/broken for parts over it, i'd also write a covering letter declaring it scrapped and staple them together

i reckon they'd accept that

where you may find problems breaking/scrapping cars yourself is if you did it weekly or maybe even monthly, one or two cars a year there'd be no problems

the reason for being a licenced breaker/scrapper is down to pollutants (oil, diesel, petrol spills etc') as you now have to have correct waste storage/containment facilities if you're doing it as a business, gone are the days where you walk into a breakers and wade through thick oily mud and eventually emerge looking like the "swamp beast"

Well a friend of mine broke his Nissan and they won't accept it - he still has to declare sorn every damned year so it is based on experience not hearsay - they won't accept it - he has tried, they want a 'certificate of destruction' from an approved source.

Under the End-of-Life Vehicles Regulations 2003 and
the End-of-Life Vehicles (Storage and Treatment)
(Scotland) Regulations 2003, passenger-carrying
vehicles and light-goods vehicles weighing up to
3500kg, and three-wheel motor vehicles (not motor
trikes), can only be scrapped at Authorised Treatment
Facilities (ATFs). The ATF will issue a ‘Certificate of
Destruction’ (CoD).

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If you break it up yourself, you’ll have to make a SORN (Statutory Off Road Declaration) or keep taxing it until you take it to an ATF.

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Source >> Here

It isn't I that needs to avoid the wild speculation or misleading statements.

Yup he's right https://www.gov.uk/scrapped-and-written-off-vehicles/overview

I just read the new regs-they're sodding stupid...I'm not an Europhobe but christ there's some ****e laws coming in...


"Overview

If your vehicle has been damaged and your insurance company writes your vehicle off, you’ll need to hand the vehicle over to them to be disposed of.

If your vehicle isn’t written off but you still want to scrap it, you can take it to an authorised treatment facility (ATF).

If you break it up yourself, you’ll have to make a SORN (Statutory Off Road Declaration) or keep taxing it until you take it to an ATF.
"

So I can break my TR7 for bits, then sell all the parts (declaring it SORN all the time) then take...erm, what to the ATF, the pile of rust sweepings that are left where it used to stand...the sack full of body filler I've pulled out of it....well meaning idiocy!

Oh its ludicrous alright, all you need to take is the bodyshell / chassis with the numbers clearly identifiable and your done. My mate didn't just handed it to one of these drive by scrap collectors - now he's screwed.

The kicker just as a footnote is that now the insurance rules apply too, so if you decide not to declare sorn as in 'what can they do to me' you get screwed for having no insurance ...

Most people seem to be half right here. If you read the rest of the page that seems to have parts of it quoted at different times. The whole page is copied here:-


If you’ve broken up the vehicle yourself

If you’ve broken up the vehicle yourself you must make a SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) or continue to tax the vehicle.

You’ll have to make a SORN every year until you’ve taken it to an ATF or told DVLA you no longer have it.

Tell DVLA by sending in your V5C/3 ‘Notification of sale or transfer’ part of your V5C vehicle registration certificate or writing a letter to DVLA explaining you no longer have the vehicle.


So you can break a vehicle yourself and notify DVLA by sending in the V5C/3 and all will be sorted.

I think what we did with our disco when we scrapped it was to just take all the useless bits we didn't want to an ATF and keep the axles and engine. I shall have to ask my Dad though about what he did as it was last year we did it and he may shed some light on it

I'll ask my mate too because I'm sure he tried this, I admit that it sounds like you can do it that way.

uvs166 said:

Most people seem to be half right here. If you read the rest of the page that seems to have parts of it quoted at different times. The whole page is copied here:-


If you’ve broken up the vehicle yourself

If you’ve broken up the vehicle yourself you must make a SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) or continue to tax the vehicle.

You’ll have to make a SORN every year until you’ve taken it to an ATF or told DVLA you no longer have it.

Tell DVLA by sending in your V5C/3 ‘Notification of sale or transfer’ part of your V5C vehicle registration certificate or writing a letter to DVLA explaining you no longer have the vehicle.


So you can break a vehicle yourself and notify DVLA by sending in the V5C/3 and all will be sorted.

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I'm afraid that only works if you have something to transfer, not if you've broken it yourself and sold the chassis and body...unlikely on most cars but reasonably likely for a Landy.

I supposed it comes down to what they'd accept? A bag of rust and a vin plate?

Heh you could always make up an address and 'sell' it there by sending v5 off with new keeper on, for a laugh it could be dvla swansea sa99 1ba, then they'd get in trouble for not sorning it!