Disco 2 Discovery brake pedal gone hard

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defenderdog

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Ive just changed the discs and pads on the front of my 04 discovery and now the pedal had gone hard.
I can't drive it down the road to bed them in as I'm in the process prepping it for its MOT. Could it be there is now to much fluid in the reservoir?
Any ideas disco peeps.
 
Hi, the fluid level has nothing to do with pedal stiffness, didnt you work in the engine bay too as to disturb a vacuum pipe somewhere?...if not are the calipers working OK? cos if the brakes are not stopping the front wheels with the same ratio like the rears the EBD will kick in and the pedal goes hard then
 
Hi, the fluid level has nothing to do with pedal stiffness, didnt you work in the engine bay too as to disturb a vacuum pipe somewhere?...if not are the calipers working OK? cos if the brakes are not stopping the front wheels with the same ratio like the rears the EBD will kick in and the pedal goes hard then
Thanks sierraferry I'll check the vacuum pipes tomorrow when I'm working on it. What's the EBD?
 
EBD = electronic brakes distribution, it's managed by the SLABS ECU based on sensor inputs...though if the pedal is stiff stationary too not just while braking in movement forget about it

If the front brakes are not working well after you replaced things there the EBD can be your problem cos it kicks in to improve the pressure in those calipers, i'm pasting you from the book cos it's easyer than explain in my english:

" EBD
The EBD function optimises the distribution of hydraulic pressure between the front and rear axles, under all vehicle
load configurations and road conditions, to maintain vehicle stability during braking. EBD operates in forward and
reverse and is automatically enabled whenever the ABS modulator is in the normal braking mode at vehicle
deceleration rates of 0.3 g and above (i.e. medium to high brake pedal loads). EBD operation is similar to that of ABS,
but is calibrated to intervene at lower wheel slip limits and operates the brakes in axle pairs instead of individually.
During braking, if the SLABS ECU detects the wheels of one axle going slower than those of the other axle, i.e. a
potential wheel slip situation, it signals the ABS modulator to close the inlet solenoid valve for the brakes of the slower
wheels. This prevents any further increase in hydraulic pressure to those brakes, while allowing the hydraulic pressure
to the brakes on the other axle to increase and so maximise the overall braking effort. If the wheel speeds of the axle
being subjected to EBD control return within the calibrated wheel slip limits, the SLABS ECU signals a stepped
opening of the inlet solenoid valves, which allows a progressive increase of hydraulic pressure to the related brakes.
Operation of EBD is detectable from a stiffening of brake pedal movement as the inlet solenoid valves close and a
slight pulsing of the brake pedal as the inlet solenoid valves open.
EBD operation ceases immediately the brake pedal
is released.
The wheel slip limit for EBD operation varies with vehicle speed. During normal operation, the inlet solenoid valves
always operate in axle pairs, with only one axle pair closed at any one time. Since the most lightly loaded wheel during
a braking manoeuvre will usually be the first to reach the slip limit, under most vehicle load configurations and road
conditions EBD control occurs on the trailing axle. However, EBD control can occur on the leading axle or switch
between axles during the braking manoeuvre.
 
EBD = electronic brakes distribution, it's managed by the SLABS ECU based on sensor inputs...though if the pedal is stiff stationary too not just while braking in movement forget about it

If the front brakes are not working well after you replaced things there the EBD can be your problem cos it kicks in to improve the pressure in those calipers, i'm pasting you from the book cos it's easyer than explain in my english:

" EBD
The EBD function optimises the distribution of hydraulic pressure between the front and rear axles, under all vehicle
load configurations and road conditions, to maintain vehicle stability during braking. EBD operates in forward and
reverse and is automatically enabled whenever the ABS modulator is in the normal braking mode at vehicle
deceleration rates of 0.3 g and above (i.e. medium to high brake pedal loads). EBD operation is similar to that of ABS,
but is calibrated to intervene at lower wheel slip limits and operates the brakes in axle pairs instead of individually.
During braking, if the SLABS ECU detects the wheels of one axle going slower than those of the other axle, i.e. a
potential wheel slip situation, it signals the ABS modulator to close the inlet solenoid valve for the brakes of the slower
wheels. This prevents any further increase in hydraulic pressure to those brakes, while allowing the hydraulic pressure
to the brakes on the other axle to increase and so maximise the overall braking effort. If the wheel speeds of the axle
being subjected to EBD control return within the calibrated wheel slip limits, the SLABS ECU signals a stepped
opening of the inlet solenoid valves, which allows a progressive increase of hydraulic pressure to the related brakes.
Operation of EBD is detectable from a stiffening of brake pedal movement as the inlet solenoid valves close and a
slight pulsing of the brake pedal as the inlet solenoid valves open.
EBD operation ceases immediately the brake pedal
is released.
The wheel slip limit for EBD operation varies with vehicle speed. During normal operation, the inlet solenoid valves
always operate in axle pairs, with only one axle pair closed at any one time. Since the most lightly loaded wheel during
a braking manoeuvre will usually be the first to reach the slip limit, under most vehicle load configurations and road
conditions EBD control occurs on the trailing axle. However, EBD control can occur on the leading axle or switch
between axles during the braking manoeuvre.
Thanks for that, that's explained it brilliant. It's just where do I go from here. The annoying thing is not being able to test drive it.
 
Thanks for that, that's explained it brilliant. It's just where do I go from here. The annoying thing is not being able to test drive it.
check all vacuum pipes , you can check operation of servo by holding foot hard on pedal then start engine , pedal should sink a little if servo gets vacuum
 
if it's a vacuum issue the pedal will be stiff stationary too if it's EBD only in deceleration that's how you diferentiate them... if it's EBD you better overhaul the front calipers, put the car on axle stands apply light brake and rotate wheels with your hand to see if rear brakes are better than fronts or not cos you can feel that
 
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