can you remove the sump without removing the whole engine? 2.5DSE, the BMW engine

Hi guys,

Had a look around about this and seen a few of you talking about removing the engine and mentioning the sump. I take it the sump can be removed from the engine in situ right?? We've got a P38 2.5 dse with the BMW engine (that's causing grief!!)

For anyone whos done it are there any hidden nuts or anything specific I should note?

Cheers

Have a look under neath.
I believe you can but I am not 100% on your engine.
I should know had that engine in me Vauxhall omega.
Obviously drain all the oil out first:lol:

When I say look underneath I mean look around the edges of the sump for heads of bolts, they will probably be covered wiff gunk so give em a clean, drain oil and remove the bolts.
Be careful with the gasket, I'd say get a new one before you start then you got a nice fresh gasket on your sump.

Why BTW?

There are bolts from the gearbox into the sump, you need to remove these. But other than that I can't remember if there were any other issues.

Cheers.

We think the big ends gone, there's a horrible clattering noise when the engine runs. I think someone else suggested big end as well but Im told that it can be accessed via the bottom of the engine, hence going up through the sump? Its either have a go do it that way (if indeed you can remove the sump) or engine out jobbie, or new engine?? (well, second hand one)

Domod said:

Cheers.

We think the big ends gone, there's a horrible clattering noise when the engine runs. I think someone else suggested big end as well but Im told that it can be accessed via the bottom of the engine, hence going up through the sump? Its either have a go do it that way (if indeed you can remove the sump) or engine out jobbie, or new engine?? (well, second hand one)

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If you go second hand engine route, them engines are in the old omega's if you can find an un-thrashed one your laughing.
I'd imagine you'd pick one of them up for a few hundred still in the car, I imaging that would be cheaper than buying one out a rangie or a beemer, dunno where else they went.
Remove the sump see how you got, thats what I'd do, exhaust all the easy options, easyish:lol:

Good luck

Vagrent said:

If you go second hand engine route, them engines are in the old omega's if you can find an un-thrashed one your laughing.
I'd imagine you'd pick one of them up for a few hundred still in the car, I imaging that would be cheaper than buying one out a rangie or a beemer, dunno where else they went.
Remove the sump see how you got, thats what I'd do, exhaust all the easy options, easyish:lol:

Good luck

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cheers for that, yeah looking around I managed to find a few bmw engines from RR's for about £500 squids!

As you said though will try the sump first, and going by whats been posted a few bolts into the gearbox and around the bottom of the sump. We'll see how it goes if I find anything else.

Cheers for your help

.....well incase any of you are wondering the same then yes you can remove the sump off the bottom of the BMW engine. We had to jack the vehicle up to stop the air suspension lowering on us but that was enough.Remove the heat/sound proofing bits then there is a LOAD of bolts to undo. there seems to be hundreds of the small sump bolts then theres a few longer bolts hidden around with a few going into the gearbox. It was manageable doing it from under the vehicle but prepare to get covered in oil.

With the bottom of the sump off obviously you get a good view of the big ends and bearings to fix!

Don't foprget lots of oil to put back in!

you could check the key way hasent gone ,just a thought!

Domod said:

Cheers.

We think the big ends gone, there's a horrible clattering noise when the engine runs. I think someone else suggested big end as well but Im told that it can be accessed via the bottom of the engine, hence going up through the sump? Its either have a go do it that way (if indeed you can remove the sump) or engine out jobbie, or new engine?? (well, second hand one)

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If it's a big end bearing then the crank and rod will be knackered.
Also the bits will be in the crank oil ways,so it's going to be a write off.