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both our P38 thors are converted to multipoint LPG.. they would be expensive to run otherwise, but at £37 to fill up.. i like to enjoy them.
4.6 vs 2.5 tdi
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ukadamwest
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ok, here's mine that have all been sold over the past few months..
the black and cobalt blue ones i sold a year ago
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Figures...
Now, what is it Clarkson says about these? :boxing:More like 16mpg. Not saying they can't do low 20's, indeed both of our 4.6's would manage 20-22mpg on a good run. But to claim they "average" 20mpg over normal varied driving, is some what optimistic and misleading.
Figures...
More like 16mpg. Not saying they can't do low 20's, indeed both of our 4.6's would manage 20-22mpg on a good run. But to claim they "average" 20mpg over normal varied driving, is some what optimistic and misleading.
I never said I wasn't a bit of a d**k to be fair. I do drive a Range Rover and a BMW. What else could I be?
I take your point on the V8 though. Just because I averaged 20 (on petrol, I ran mine mostly on LPG which only got me around 14 mpg) doesn't mean that's an average figure. Probably correct, 16-17 would probably be more likely.
Equally though, I doubt 28 would be average for the diesel. According to the few diesel examples on Fuelly.com, the diesel seems to be between 20-25.
So taking a 16.5 mpg average for Petrol, and 22.5 average for diesel, does still leave about a £600 extra spend, per year, over 8000 miles between Petrol and Diesel. There are extra things in the diesel that could potentially go wrong, and completely negate that £600, such as turbos or whatever, that wouldn't be present on the V8, but just for fuel costs, £600 isn't a huge difference in reality (£1.65 per day, which has got to be among the lower of the actual costs of running such a vehicle).
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Yep, how many miles a year you do will play a big part in the fuel cost difference over 12 months.
A manual V8 probably isn't much worse on fuel over an auto diesel. And an auto V8 will likely offer the worst mpg, with the manual diesel the best.
I'd expect the latter to pretty much average 25mpg. With highs towards 30 and lows of 22.
An auto V8 is more like highs of 21, lows of 12 and average 16mpg. All in round figures, how you drive and where you drive will dictate what end of the scale you are likely to be in.
A manual V8 probably isn't much worse on fuel over an auto diesel. And an auto V8 will likely offer the worst mpg, with the manual diesel the best.
I'd expect the latter to pretty much average 25mpg. With highs towards 30 and lows of 22.
An auto V8 is more like highs of 21, lows of 12 and average 16mpg. All in round figures, how you drive and where you drive will dictate what end of the scale you are likely to be in.
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I never said I wasn't a bit of a d**k to be fair. I do drive a Range Rover and a BMW. What else could I be?
I take your point on the V8 though. Just because I averaged 20 (on petrol, I ran mine mostly on LPG which only got me around 14 mpg) doesn't mean that's an average figure. Probably correct, 16-17 would probably be more likely.
Equally though, I doubt 28 would be average for the diesel. According to the few diesel examples on Fuelly.com, the diesel seems to be between 20-25.
So taking a 16.5 mpg average for Petrol, and 22.5 average for diesel, does still leave about a £600 extra spend, per year, over 8000 miles between Petrol and Diesel. There are extra things in the diesel that could potentially go wrong, and completely negate that £600, such as turbos or whatever, that wouldn't be present on the V8, but just for fuel costs, £600 isn't a huge difference in reality (£1.65 per day, which has got to be among the lower of the actual costs of running such a vehicle).
Diesel engines properly maintained are far, far more reliable than any petrol engine and that is a proven fact. When did a petrol engined car last win Le Mans?
Refinement with that nasty uneven V8 beat? the engine is completely inaudible on my diesel above walking pace unless accelerating hard, that's what I call refinement.
Nothing uneven with my V8, purrs like a kitten. In fact you would have tobe stood round the back to tell its ticking over (couldn't have said that 4 weeks ago mind)
Diesel engines properly maintained are far, far more reliable than any petrol engine and that is a proven fact. When did a petrol engined car last win Le Mans?
And when was the last time a turbo went on one of these P38 diesels? How about the last time one went on the V8? Oh yeah, the V8 doesn't have one to go wrong...
I never said it was inherently more or less reliable. Just that there are some parts that are more expensive to maintain or replace. Not that the V8 isn't without issues either. But the £600 fuel saving in the diesel based upon my previous assumptions, doesn't really add up to a lot.
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I bought a P38 for cheap motoring, I couldn't afford a decent 4 x 4. The parts are very cheap even if it needs more than a well made car.
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The rover V8 just drops liners suffers HGF and valley gasket problems.
Looked after, the turbo on the diesel will last for 300K miles or more.
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If he drops a liner on his V8, it's would add up to a lot more than £600.00It adds up to £600.00.
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Would anyone like a mint ?
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Yeah what are they?
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Knackered FIP, knackered Turbo - Head issues - all possible 2.5 TD issues - and you're rapidly heading toward Rover V8 rebuild costs - and of course with a 4.6 you have a transmission that - if looked after - should out live the car.
The TD is quiet once moving IF you are driving gently - otherwise it sounds like a rattly old heap which isn't (IMHO) in keeping with what is supposed to by a luxury SUV - the 4.6 makes good progress on 1/3 throttle short shifting on the wave of torque.
The TD is quiet once moving IF you are driving gently - otherwise it sounds like a rattly old heap which isn't (IMHO) in keeping with what is supposed to by a luxury SUV - the 4.6 makes good progress on 1/3 throttle short shifting on the wave of torque.
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Well, I'm sure I've still got some sandwiches left over and half a meat pie.
Anybody seen the bottle opener?
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FIP £600. Head £900, only fails if overheated, Turbo's don't fail if looked after. total less than half the cost of a top hat block never mind the labour cost of fitting a new engine, only one head to deal with too.
Mine certainly does not sound rattly except for a few minutes when idling cold.
