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Good to hear a happy ending
The issue seems to stem from Land Rover stating the fluid can go 150k. Whereas the gearbox manufacturer states 75k.
Clever.While we are 'torquing converters' (see what I did there!!)
What happens over time, is the lock-up clutch inside the TC wears out, and begins to skip when it engages (similar to manual box clutch judder). The TC clutch is there to minimise TC slip when it's not helpful, like when cruising or remaining as one speed for a period of time.It does appear to be like the above, when TC is not locked. Is there a simple TC test? What actually wears out seeing as the TC is two discs and some fluid!! Probably over simplified that!!
Yes that's correct. Replacing the TC would give you a nice new TC clutch, as it's inside the TC housing.Thanks, helpful description so the TC lock up clutch is part of the TC and would be replaced if the TC was changed?
In my experience, Dr Trany Shudder fix, does exactly what it says on the tube.So this also fits with my on hills and under load vibration issue.
I have ordered some Dr Trans shudder stuff. If it helps it sort of confirms the problem I think?
I don't know, as replacing the TC is no different to replacing the clutch in a manual box. It's a large donut shaped fluid clutch assembly, which simply sits between the gearbox and engine drive plate.Incidentally, why do all manuals suggest the world will end if you remove the TC??
How do you ever replace it!!
The Haldex is done, I'll put the rear diff oil and PTU on the shopping list..... That can happen sooner now the gearbox isn't being dropped out!This is accurate, but there also needs to be some common sense applied, as no fluid will last 150k, actually 75k is too long, 50k fluid changes is much more sensible, if expensive trouble is to be avoided.
Make sure you change the Haldex fluid and filter, rear diff oil and PTU oil too, as those are all liable to fail, if fluids are left until the LR internal.
Put Dr Trannys anti vibration juice in today.
Massive improvement. So what does it mean and how does it work?
The adverts suggest it is not a long term fix but can it be reapplied say every year or so?
Mistified as to how it stops a worn clutch vibrating, but it does indeed appear to do that. Thanks for the tip, means I can out off changing the TC for now at least.
Afternoon everyone.
Freelander 2 08 2.2 Diesel Automatic
Fairly violent Shuddering at point of changing gear has been identified by specialist as possible torque converter issue. I have been driving around the issue by lifting off or forcing a kick down. The mechanic has said nothing is imminently going to fail but ultimately to replace the part is drop the gear box out then might as well replace the whole unit (gearbox & converter) He is willing to fit a box supplied by me (I estimate 500 to purchase) but with no guarantee and charge around 1000 in labor. Or supply a reconditioned box for around 2500 plus 1000 to fit with a guarantee . Obviously the second option is eye watering at roughly 50% of the resale value.
Just wondering if anyone else has encountered this issue with an auto box. And what peoples thoughts are about the repair options and pricing i've been given. I'm wondering if there might be a more frugal option through a transmission specialist.
I use the vehicle daily in a construction environment and it's been ideal for this purpose. I have already spent a fair bit on maintenance in 8 months (Haldex oil/filter, new glow plugs, battery, tyres, full service) In its current condition I cant sell it so thinking I should repair it and keep it for the long haul.[/QUOTE
Hi, I had the same symptoms on our 2014 Freelander SD4.
When driven hard, there was no issues.
When driving gently, just cruising along (typically about 1600 rpm) the juddering was very evident.
There were no fault codes.
We fitted a new fuel filter and air filter, just to rule that out.
LR main dealer said it was auto 'box or EGR.
A mate is a mechanic at Ford, we blanked the EGR, it made no difference. He also checked the injectors, they were OK.
The auto transmission fluid was a few months and a few thousand miles old, but we got the 'box flushed and fresh fluid put in, still no improvement.
On the internet I read that throttle body actuators wear, causing similar symptoms, so I replace that. Still no improvement.
I sent the car to Freelander Specialist. They suggested the torque converter was bad.
I did some research, the torque converter has a lock up clutch.
When accelerating the impeller is spinning faster than the turbine, multiplying torque for acceleration, when decelerating the opposite is true,
But when cruising along at constant speed both parts of the converter are turning at the same speed. This condition is OK but not efficient (it is a fluid connection), so in this condition a lock up clutch is engaged, mechanically locking the converter.
When this lock up function fails, you get the juddering. It feels like driving a manual transmission in a gear that's too high.
Once I read that, it all made sense.
I got a new torque converter fitted, the problem is now solved, we've covered 5,000 miles since the work was completed.
I'm just glad I didn't get follow landrover's suggestion and fit a new gearbox.
The car had done around 65,000 miles at the time, it had FSH by Landover, the AT fluid had recently been changed.
Hope this helps
I think it’s called tranny shudder. You can get additives for the fluid, but I am not convinced they work.
Hi,
Would you mind telling me the cost to have the TC replaced please .
Have same trouble and tried all the easier /cheaper options including Dr Tranny anti judder .
It worked for a couple months then started again but not as bad as before .
Thinking about changing TC now
You need to be 100% sure the TC is causing the fault before committing to having it replaced.
You'll get little or no change out of £1,000.
.Had the fluid changed prior to adding the fix and that made no difference ,only went good when added fix.
You need to make sure that it's definitely not an engine borne vibration from a failing injector or crank sensor, as these can also cause issues that feel like the TC to an inexperienced technician.What else could it be ?
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