Post 2012 Defender - Am I mad ?

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300bhp/ton said:
Lots of Puma's where sold to privateers not just commercial enterprises though. Don't know the figures, but I'd guess a large percentage have never been off road.

As for surface rust. At this age that is hardly terminal or unexpected. A 2012 is of course nearly 10 years old. And this is something they have always suffered with. But yes, it is a bit ****e. However I'm not convinced that means ALL Puma models should be tarred with the same brush by saying all of them are horrendous wrecks to be avoided. Plenty will be very very tidy.

The pic above shows the 2012 we have on the farm and hard top is on a 65 plate, although delivered in 2016. It too is one of the very last. Neither have had any issues apart from the heater ducting not being fitted correctly on the 65 plate when new.

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The WPD ones had never been off road, they had only come on a transporter from the factory. They were brand new 2016 vehicles, and we went to look at them before they ever left the yard.

I wouldn't say they are horrendous wrecks to be avoided. I would say they are over hyped, over priced, and much better vehicles are available for less money.

Yours look pretty good, but panel quality on the soft top is a bit below par, and I bet you have been polishing those up a bit, and that they are kept indoors when not in use.
 
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Have you driven one yet? They might be more 'car like' than a series 3 or a 90, but you can't drive them like a car, coming about, braking at the last second etc like you can get away with in a hot hatch.. eventually you'll come unstuck.
On a practical note, if you're only doing very short journeys, will the engine ever get fully hot, will the battery get charged up?
They aren't like any other vehicle, that comes with its own set of pro's and cons
 
My 110 is used for short journeys all day and in the Winter the engine often never fully warms up.

l've never had a flat battery, and l've never given it a boost charge. The battery was fitted in 2012 so it's not new either.

l do have some longer journeys during the week, well when l say "longer" l mean more than five miles....

It seems to be enough to charge the battery.

I drive with the headlights on at all times. l also use the heated windscreen on cold days, and the heated rear window gets used regularly as well.
 
I am not so keen on the 110 , I think it would have to be a 90.

where do you think we are at with values etc ? Have they reached their limit and could start coming down or is there still room for growth ?

what I’ve found strange on autotrader is the disparity in prices of vehicles , you look at similar models with similar miles etc and there could be a £10k price difference
 
Lots of sellers "having a go" too see if they can make a quick buck.

I think prices will fall with the rise of the LEZ's across the U.K.

However "classic" Land Rover prices will stay strong as it doesn't apply to them (any over 40 years old)

What do you think of those two 90's l posted links to?
 
thomson_adam said:
what I’ve found strange on autotrader is the disparity in prices of vehicles , you look at similar models with similar miles etc and there could be a £10k price difference
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Location could play a part. LEZs, ULEZ, CAZ, etc. are starting to bite in many areas.

Also, condition, and how the vehicle has been used and maintained will have more effect on price than mileage.

Then there are the chancers, trying to make a quick buck before Christmas.

I don't have much to do with Pumas, but what I see with older models is that asking prices bear little relation to what people I know have actually sold Defenders for.
 
lightning said:
Lots of sellers "having a go" too see if they can make a quick buck.

I think prices will fall with the rise of the LEZ's across the U.K.

However "classic" Land Rover prices will stay strong as it doesn't apply to them (any over 40 years old)

What do you think of those two 90's l posted links to?
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I only seen one 90 and a 110 defender
I am looking for either a black or kenswick green I think

I think the new rules could effect a lot of cars so I guess defenders are no different. this weather will be playing into sellers hands too
 
Turboman said:
Location could play a part. LEZs, ULEZ, CAZ, etc. are starting to bite in many areas.

Also, condition, and how the vehicle has been used and maintained will have more effect on price than mileage.

Then there are the chancers, trying to make a quick buck before Christmas.

I don't have much to do with Pumas, but what I see with older models is that asking prices bear little relation to what people I know have actually sold Defenders for.
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Are the prices online a lot higher than the actual sold for ?
 
thomson_adam said:
Are the prices online a lot higher than the actual sold for ?
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In my experience, yes,

But that isn't Pumas, it is 200 and 300Tdi, and Td5 defenders.

Pumas may be a bit different, because they were actually being made at the end of production, and because some people assume a newer vehicle is going to be better.

With regard to future prices, Pumas will still have to pay extra under the various LEZs and ULEZ , though.
 
lightning said:
So will many TD5's

Mine's classed as a car currently exempt but l don't expect the exemption to last.

Many TD5's are classed as LCV
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All that goes out the window when you move onto ULEZ, though. ULEZ is simple, only Euro 4 petrol or Euro 6 diesel, or pay the charge.

You will probably be OK for a while due to your location.

But as OP has only provided UK as a location, we don't really know where he lives.
 
Near Manchester
Just on the borders of High Peak

You have to remember that these are exactly the vehicles that the govt wants rid of.

We all know that Defenders are more environmentally friendly because of the longevity, but lt's all about tailpipe emissions, the bigger picture is not being considered.
 
lightning said:
Near Manchester
Just on the borders of High Peak

You have to remember that these are exactly the vehicles that the govt wants rid of.

We all know that Defenders are more environmentally friendly because of the longevity, but lt's all about tailpipe emissions, the bigger picture is not being considered.
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They want to get rid of as many vehicles as possible, but are making a start on bigger vehicles, commercials and 4x4.

Sounds like you will be near the edge of the Manchester CAZ. I don't think the CAZ will be a problem for you, but if the pattern is the same as London, ULEZ will come along in about 5-10 years.

ULEZ isn't particularly difficult if you don't have to go into the zone often, you can just pay the charge, or take a different car.

The London ULEZ doesn't seem to have had the same impact on vehicle prices as the LEZ did, probably because there has been much more warning.
 
l use my Defender for work, so have to go into the zone every day.

lf it expands to include Station Wagons, sadly my 110 will likely join the list of already traded in Defenders at my local LR specialist.

l couldn't afford over £200 per month just to take the Landy off my drive.
 
lightning said:
l use my Defender for work, so have to go into the zone every day.

lf it expands to include Station Wagons, sadly my 110 will likely join the list of already traded in Defenders at my local LR specialist.

l couldn't afford over £200 per month just to take the Landy off my drive.
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Let me know if it does I might be ready for an upgrade by then !
 
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