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When these houses and tower blocks or apartments what ever you call them most family’s had one car now families with kids at home have 3 or 4 cars good luck charging that lot the bloody grid will go down

pete12345 said:

When these houses and tower blocks or apartments what ever you call them most family’s had one car now families with kids at home have 3 or 4 cars good luck charging that lot the bloody grid will go down

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Read somewhere last year if we all swapped to electric cars we would need an extra 5 nuclear power stations to be able to charge them all

Rubberknees said:

Read somewhere last year if we all swapped to electric cars we would need an extra 5 nuclear power stations to be able to charge them all

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That to me is the big question with all the cars going lecy and new house`s lecy only for heating where is it all going to come from.

Me and the family in the new "Green car" yabba-dabba-doo

With almost every major manufacturer having made known their plans of doing away with internal combustion engines within given time lines, it's become apparent that said change coupled with government legislations worldwide would ultimately force all of us into EVs.
For me, what makes me anxious is well, the range anxiety that comes with these EVs.
That and the time it takes to charge up to get any reasonable range out of them should you run low on 'juice' in the middle of a journey.

For example, in my line of work, loaded up with a 522kg engine from mining machinery in the bed of a Ford ranger pickup, the thing can do just about 560km on a full tank of diesel, and 600km+ unladen on the return trip doing a maximum corporate limited speed of 100kph.
As you can imagine, most mines aren't exactly in the heart of the city, and fuel stations can be hours apart on some of these trips, yet carrying a 20ltr gallon in the bed is added assurance of a few 100kms added should you miss a turn and waste a bit of fuel trying to find your way.....and yes, I assure you Google does not even see roads in some of the places I've been, and you still can get lost.

The way I see it, they seem to have the passenger car segment figured out so far, but they would need to come right when it comes to commercial vehicles, and not exactly the kind driven by the milkman.
It remains to be seen the solutions that will be proposed for long range work vehicles that would not affect load space while allowing for range-sapping loads such as air-conditioning in harsh conditions such as the Australian outback or Africa.

ifloochies said:

With almost every major manufacturer having made known their plans of doing away with internal combustion engines within given time lines, it's become apparent that said change coupled with government legislations worldwide would ultimately force all of us into EVs.
For me, what makes me anxious is well, the range anxiety that comes with these EVs.
That and the time it takes to charge up to get any reasonable range out of them should you run low on 'juice' in the middle of a journey.

For example, in my line of work, loaded up with a 522kg engine from mining machinery in the bed of a Ford ranger pickup, the thing can do just about 560km on a full tank of diesel, and 600km+ unladen on the return trip doing a maximum corporate limited speed of 100kph.
As you can imagine, most mines aren't exactly in the heart of the city, and fuel stations can be hours apart on some of these trips, yet carrying a 20ltr gallon in the bed is added assurance of a few 100kms added should you miss a turn and waste a bit of fuel trying to find your way.....and yes, I assure you Google does not even see roads in some of the places I've been, and you still can get lost.

The way I see it, they seem to have the passenger car segment figured out so far, but they would need to come right when it comes to commercial vehicles, and not exactly the kind driven by the milkman.
It remains to be seen the solutions that will be proposed for long range work vehicles that would not affect load space while allowing for range-sapping loads such as air-conditioning in harsh conditions such as the Australian outback or Africa.

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Like I said, hydrogen. This battery malarky is a distraction. Get us all onto it pretending to be green and then when the truth becomes apparent, switch over to hydrogen and we all have to pay again.

Of course, there are super-capacitors that would charge in a minute or so but at the moment they're a chemist's wet dream. And with things like planes and freight there is still the weight issue.

Grrrrrr said:

Like I said, hydrogen. This battery malarky is a distraction. Get us all onto it pretending to be green and then when the truth becomes apparent, switch over to hydrogen and we all have to pay again.

Of course, there are super-capacitors that would charge in a minute or so but at the moment they're a chemist's wet dream. And with things like planes and freight there is still the weight issue.

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I have said hydrogen is the way forward for years, but Greta and her cronies seem to think otherwise

The simple solution is you tow a king size genny which runs on the real stuff.

It won't just be EV's that'll strain the grid, the government want us all to switch to electric heating sooner or later. There are already some in Government (maybe opposition MP's) saying new homes should have electric heating or ground source heat pumps, very expensive, within 5 years. I imagine such electric heating will be more efficient that the plug in heaters currently available but even so, homes with a couple of kids will see electricity consumption almost double in winter.

Col

Colthebrummie said:

It won't just be EV's that'll strain the grid, the government want us all to switch to electric heating sooner or later. There are already some in Government (maybe opposition MP's) saying new homes should have electric heating or ground source heat pumps, very expensive, within 5 years. I imagine such electric heating will be more efficient that the plug in heaters currently available but even so, homes with a couple of kids will see electricity consumption almost double in winter.

Col

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Let em try drilling down round here. its all old coal mines full of gas and other stuff. Only heat they'll get is when the lot blows up

Rubberknees said:

Let em try drilling down round here. its all old coal mines full of gas and other stuff. Only heat they'll get is when the lot blows up

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A ground source heat pump needs a big garden to set the pipes in, a lot of air source heat pumps used out here but not too good when temp is bellow zero and both work better with underfloor heating than rads

Rubberknees said:

I have said hydrogen is the way forward for years, but Greta and her cronies seem to think otherwise

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Reason is that at the moment most of it comes from fossil fuel but it needn't be that way.

Colthebrummie said:

It won't just be EV's that'll strain the grid, the government want us all to switch to electric heating sooner or later. There are already some in Government (maybe opposition MP's) saying new homes should have electric heating or ground source heat pumps, very expensive, within 5 years. I imagine such electric heating will be more efficient that the plug in heaters currently available but even so, homes with a couple of kids will see electricity consumption almost double in winter.

Col

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One of my neighbours fits ground source heat pumps and has one. Not very economic and he charges about £20k to fit. Air source are even worse as it uses leccy to heat the air when the temperature starts to drop in the winter, i.e. when you need it.

Grrrrrr said:

Reason is that at the moment most of it comes from fossil fuel but it needn't be that way.

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As Oscar Goldman said " We have the technology"

Lithium and cold ❄ just don't work, batteries are cr*p in the cold, Oh, and despite Elon Musk thinking there's and actual thing as a "Tesla Turbine" he just made that up, someone was there way before him with the "Pelton wheel turbine (1870s)" he just nicks stuff and put his brand on almost everything he never invented

was at the stealers the other day getting some break pads
came out and sales guy was standing by my RRS 8 years old
was parked along side one of the new Sport hybreds
said he could give me a good trade in for one
just laughed told him to call me when it could do 1000 km on a charge

I can see a lot of problems until, the infrastructure is properly sorted, unless you have off road parking you will be limited to using public charging points
which inevitably will be more expensive and, there won't be enough of them, leading to EVs with flat batteries left all over the place.

if we are going to reduce are carbon output it is not about changing the cars we drive to electric it is about changing the way we live, less air travel, and other travel buying less cheap sh#t that is in the tip after 6 months working near to where we live or working from home, eating in season local food, heating house with local wood,
Electric cars will only ever be sold in small numbers maybe max 10%, hybrid will be big but will never be that green

aj1954 said:

I can see a lot of problems until, the infrastructure is properly sorted, unless you have off road parking you will be limited to using public charging points
which inevitably will be more expensive and, there won't be enough of them, leading to EVs with flat batteries left all over the place.

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OH dear how sad

Rubberknees said:

OH dear how sad

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I do not know, where there is a problem there is money to be made a fleet of transits with F##k off big diesel generators in the back going around getting them going again at £80 ,for a 15 min top up