Three front seats in a 110 with belts..how?

Am trying to fit 3 front seats in my ex military 110, i bought the exmoor pattern belt for the centre seat, but thats tight to the shoulder, surely someone has fitted front seats? Or is 1985 pre type approval and I can use minibus seats with built in three point belts? (Obviously modified legs to fit )

The rarely used middle seat in my 88 just uses a lap belt

Yeah, am trying to avoid just a lap belt, cos if anything nasty happens someone will get a gear lever rhinoplasty and whilst thats worse than the type approved exmoor trim 3 point harness, i don't think broken collar bones are desirable either.
It's a tough one as i'm sure late models must have the three point middle

Muppetdaze said:

Yeah, am trying to avoid just a lap belt, cos if anything nasty happens someone will get a gear lever rhinoplasty and whilst thats worse than the type approved exmoor trim 3 point harness, i don't think broken collar bones are desirable either.
It's a tough one as i'm sure late models must have the three point middle

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“Late models”, as in Pumas, didn’t have the centre seat. Just a 7 seat variant, presumably due to some of the problems you are having now.

What model ex-mil is it, GS? Why not put bench seats in the rear?

Yeah it has two side benches but those injure people too

Muppetdaze said:

Am trying to fit 3 front seats in my ex military 110, i bought the exmoor pattern belt for the centre seat, but thats tight to the shoulder, surely someone has fitted front seats? Or is 1985 pre type approval and I can use minibus seats with built in three point belts? (Obviously modified legs to fit )

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Bit of a waste of time. It is impossible for anyone to ride in those centre seats with comfort for more than a few minute, unless one of them happens to be less than 4 feet tall, and with one leg.
People usually remove the centre seat, and fit a cubby box, which is a much better use of the space.

The only person who could fit in the middle seat when I had my 90 was my collie, can't se anything bara child being able to sit there for any length of time. The centre seat had a lap belt

I have the centre seat and a shoulder belt on the bulkhead (S2A) on a raised bracket. Seldom get used as gear changes (especially OD) are by negotiation which takes time. I find that if the centre seat is occupied by a female its best to agree boundaries before setting off; which gears are acceptable and which could result in a sharp slap.

rob1miles said:

I have the centre seat and a shoulder belt on the bulkhead (S2A) on a raised bracket. Seldom get used as gear changes (especially OD) are by negotiation which takes time. I find that if the centre seat is occupied by a female its best to agree boundaries before setting off; which gears are acceptable and which could result in a sharp slap.

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I'm guessing 1st 3rd and 5th would be the only acceptable gears

Mind you a sharp slap I doubt you'd notice after a few hours behind the wheel of a 'fender

no one can sit next to me in a defender, and thats a good thing I wouldn't fancy a crash in a defender with just me inside, I bet it would be like a game of ping pong with 3 people inside, especially since being impaled by a gearstick isn't very comfortable, i'd refrain from fitting the 3rd seat.

Is for the youngling, now just wonderingif i fit an off road harness as well as the lapbelt thinking that would be acceptable?

Muppetdaze said:

Is for the youngling, now just wonderingif i fit an off road harness as well as the lapbelt thinking that would be acceptable?

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Depends on how big said offspring is. There are regs about carrying children in cars, which from memory are based on the height of the child.
You should have different sorts of seats and restraints as the child grows.
You can look it up on the Government website.

Skinny teenager,
I won't travel with anyone in the back as my vehicle is dvlc registered as three seats,and the bench seats are dangerous, plus take up valuable room, yes is tall enough, no booster or child seats needed just the only way to get three of us safely to an event (when they start again) is currrently to make two journeys, and I physically can't drive for long, wife can't drive or we'd just take two vehicles. I could just use the D2 but it's not exactly display material for military events, so wouldn't be able to keep an eye on it.

The problem with seats containing their own 3 point is that the Defender seat box isn't stressed for them. My choice would be between fitting a roll over bar with suitable attachments, or with an eye on the day that the teenager hates its parents, look at the Exmoor forward facing rear seats.

I use centre seat for a child and have a 3 point with the centre shoulder belt raised, but mine is an ex-mil Series with the bulkhead so there's something to bolt to. If you don't have a bulkhead then you really are looking at a bar or hoop. Lap belts are worse than useless as they just accelerate head into the dash..

Yeah, problem is there's no way of fitting a roll bar and keeping the hard top, unless I can somehow customise a roll bar to fit under the top

I'm certain there are internal roll bars, can't remember where from, have a search.

Have a look on here for a start.

http://www.raptor4x4.net/contents/en-uk/d63_ROLLCAGES.html

frog hopper said:

I'm certain there are internal roll bars, can't remember where from, have a search.

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There are external ones too. The bars go through holes that you cut in the alloy body.

When I was looking into this I found it was important to look for "roll over protection" not "anti-roll bar" or "roll cage". It seems that roll over protection is designed to deform but prevent injury so its is a smaller section which lakes it easier to fit. the full ant-roll bar designs are large and take up a lot of room.

I think the bottom line is that it is virtually impossible to make a centre seat safe by modern standards.