L322 Just bought my first L322 TD6 vogue :) !!!

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I'm hearing some negative noise and some positive whimpers! lol :) ah well I will try my best (with all the guidance I will get from you chaps) to keep her on the road, I'm fortunate enough that I can fix 90% of anything that explodes / leaks / fizzes or crackles :)
So far (200 + mls) since the gearbox service and engine service she hasn't missed a beat..... and fingers very tightly crossed this continues..... I have another wee Landy coming soon (300tdi discovery) to park along side the big amazon! :)
Thanks again guys, your advice to date has been greatly appreciated
I have a feeling I might be banging my head off a brick wall BUT, mate you're being a touch sexist and I'm starting to find it offensive. Especially, as this not lad, not guy, not chap, was the first to guide you to RAVE.
I know that there are lots of sexist gits on here, so do me a favour and just let me know if you actually are, or if you don't actually mean to be, but can't help it.
It makes things simpler knowing if you are or not. Thanks.
 
In case you haven't worked it out yet, @gold rover is a female of the species and she can be more deadly than the male!!! :D
Awwww you sweet talker you
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Lol...… I'm not too sure what I said may of come across as "sexist" ??? and I very much appreciate your input just as much as any other person on here.... I certainly didn't mean to offend, so to all you lads, Gals, guys, non binary folk, and attack helicopters thanks in advance and absolutely no hard feeling @goldrover :)
 
Lol...… I'm not too sure what I said may of come across as "sexist" ??? and I very much appreciate your input just as much as any other person on here.... I certainly didn't mean to offend, so to all you lads, Gals, guys, non binary folk, and attack helicopters thanks in advance and absolutely no hard feeling @goldrover :)
Thanks for the reply. It comes across as sexist due to the lads and chaps bit, even after I hinted at the fact there are females out here, ready and willing to try to help. You liked the post then said 'thanks chaps'.
Guys is all encompassing, so that one doesn't get the dragon in me stirring
Glad we're all sorted though. :D






Oh, attack helicopters, could possibly be arranged, but that costs more ;)
 
Thanks for the reply. It comes across as sexist due to the lads and chaps bit, even after I hinted at the fact there are females out here, ready and willing to try to help. You liked the post then said 'thanks chaps'.
Guys is all encompassing, so that one doesn't get the dragon in me stirring
Glad we're all sorted though. :D






Oh, attack helicopters, could possibly be arranged, but that vosts more ;)

We are a bit dim over here, I'm a hillbilly from the glens of Antrim (N.Ireland) whose taken too many punches to the head and jumped out of too many perfectly serviceable aircraft to pick up on hints lol :) but I thank you for your understanding..... and your help!! :)
 
We are a bit dim over here, I'm a hillbilly from the glens of Antrim (N.Ireland) whose taken too many punches to the head and jumped out of too many perfectly serviceable aircraft to pick up on hints lol :) but I thank you for your understanding..... and your help!! :)
Jumped out a few myself . The fact I did it by choice , makes me even dimmer ;) You know Sandy per chance?
 
The GM5L40e is a rather inept gearbox for the L322, it saw light in the E36 328i Bmw's IIRC and even then it was made of cheese.

As with LR they never bothered CHECK!! the torque limit for this particular 'box or it's known isses as there were failures already documented at it's time of introduction in the L322 and the de-tuned M57 is putting this box right on the limit..

The TQ is also rather weak in it's design aswell as the Valvebody that has funky solenoids that will cause unintentional clutch slip which destroys the box..
The 'box is a five-speed that saw common use between 1999 and 2006ish It features five forward gears and one reverse, with 4th gear being a 1:1 ratio and 5th gear being “overdrive.”.

So essentially it's a 4spd with overdrive :rolleyes:

Problems include but aren't limited to...

Juddering/ leaking from behind the gearbox pump.

Though it’s possible for a pump seal to wear down on its own, in 5L40 like to leak because of a more serious problem, behind the pump seal is a bush that is responsible for keeping the torque converter steady and central as it spins. In this particular case they like to wear down relatively quickly, allowing the torque converter to “wobble” slightly. In addition to certain driving issues such as a juddering sensation, this “wobble” squashes the seal out to the point that it begins letting transmission fluid through.

Which causes low fluid pressure and in turn clutch slip which just eats the box..

You can catch the issue early but you need to remove the gearbox, remove the front end of the transmission dismantle the pump assembly and replace the bush and seal. However in most cases this issue will cause damage to the torque converter neck and even the pump itself, and replacing those parts is sure to be expensive, at that point you might aswell have the entire unit replaced.

Symptoms are

Juddering when driving

and a leak toward the front of the gearbox..

Another issue is Output shaft pline wear..

the output has been known to wear down to the point of no longer functioning the entire drive of the vehicle passes through this shaft so when note the "WHEN" it wears down the vehicle will no longer drive at all and tends to make a horrible noise when it's tried



Next...

When an auto box changes gear, oil is fed into a sealed chamber forcing a piston to push against a stack of friction clutch discs/plates. If the oil was just shot into that chamber all at once the clutch pack will apply with a harsh thump and make for a very unpleasant shift. The 5L40 gets around this problem with the use of a number of fluid accumulators which allow the oil to be fed in gradually until the pressure is sufficient.

The accumulators work by sitting a small sealed piston on top of a spring so that when the oil is fed into the chamber, it pushes the piston against the spring. These springs, however, have a nasty tendency to break. luckily, repairing this problem is easy. You don’t need to remove the gearbox, just the valve body which is found inside the sump at the bottom of the gearbox..

Symptoms..

Harsh gear shifting and "Trans Failsafe".

Now the Main issue with this 'box is the torque converter..
The most common reason for a vehicle running a GM tranny to the ****ter is torque converter failure For a number of reasons torque converter solenoid, worn valves, worn converter the TQ fails and begins contaminating the oil with debris. The debris circulates throughout the transmission and begins blocking the filter. Once the filter is filled with crap, the clutch packs are starved of oil and begin to slip. The slipping clutches begin to burn up, further contaminating the oil with crap and you get the gist.

If you were very lucky and caught this problem very early, you might get away with an oil flush and a new converter/filter though It would be advisable to get it rebuilt. For most people nothing less than a full rebuild and replacement converter will fix the problem. The easiest way to check for this problem is to remove the sump and check for metal and general debris in the sump. If the converter has failed in this fashion, the sump will be full of metallic debris.


Run the old oil through coffee strainers to catch an debris, this will give a good indication of the trannys heath, if it is currently behaving..
 
The GM5L40e is a rather inept gearbox for the L322, it saw light in the E36 328i Bmw's IIRC and even then it was made of cheese.

As with LR they never bothered CHECK!! the torque limit for this particular 'box or it's known isses as there were failures already documented at it's time of introduction in the L322 and the de-tuned M57 is putting this box right on the limit..

The TQ is also rather weak in it's design aswell as the Valvebody that has funky solenoids that will cause unintentional clutch slip which destroys the box..
The 'box is a five-speed that saw common use between 1999 and 2006ish It features five forward gears and one reverse, with 4th gear being a 1:1 ratio and 5th gear being “overdrive.”.

So essentially it's a 4spd with overdrive :rolleyes:

Problems include but aren't limited to...

Juddering/ leaking from behind the gearbox pump.

Though it’s possible for a pump seal to wear down on its own, in 5L40 like to leak because of a more serious problem, behind the pump seal is a bush that is responsible for keeping the torque converter steady and central as it spins. In this particular case they like to wear down relatively quickly, allowing the torque converter to “wobble” slightly. In addition to certain driving issues such as a juddering sensation, this “wobble” squashes the seal out to the point that it begins letting transmission fluid through.

Which causes low fluid pressure and in turn clutch slip which just eats the box..

You can catch the issue early but you need to remove the gearbox, remove the front end of the transmission dismantle the pump assembly and replace the bush and seal. However in most cases this issue will cause damage to the torque converter neck and even the pump itself, and replacing those parts is sure to be expensive, at that point you might aswell have the entire unit replaced.

Symptoms are

Juddering when driving

and a leak toward the front of the gearbox..

Another issue is Output shaft pline wear..

the output has been known to wear down to the point of no longer functioning the entire drive of the vehicle passes through this shaft so when note the "WHEN" it wears down the vehicle will no longer drive at all and tends to make a horrible noise when it's tried



Next...

When an auto box changes gear, oil is fed into a sealed chamber forcing a piston to push against a stack of friction clutch discs/plates. If the oil was just shot into that chamber all at once the clutch pack will apply with a harsh thump and make for a very unpleasant shift. The 5L40 gets around this problem with the use of a number of fluid accumulators which allow the oil to be fed in gradually until the pressure is sufficient.

The accumulators work by sitting a small sealed piston on top of a spring so that when the oil is fed into the chamber, it pushes the piston against the spring. These springs, however, have a nasty tendency to break. luckily, repairing this problem is easy. You don’t need to remove the gearbox, just the valve body which is found inside the sump at the bottom of the gearbox..

Symptoms..

Harsh gear shifting and "Trans Failsafe".

Now the Main issue with this 'box is the torque converter..
The most common reason for a vehicle running a GM tranny to the ****ter is torque converter failure For a number of reasons torque converter solenoid, worn valves, worn converter the TQ fails and begins contaminating the oil with debris. The debris circulates throughout the transmission and begins blocking the filter. Once the filter is filled with crap, the clutch packs are starved of oil and begin to slip. The slipping clutches begin to burn up, further contaminating the oil with crap and you get the gist.

If you were very lucky and caught this problem very early, you might get away with an oil flush and a new converter/filter though It would be advisable to get it rebuilt. For most people nothing less than a full rebuild and replacement converter will fix the problem. The easiest way to check for this problem is to remove the sump and check for metal and general debris in the sump. If the converter has failed in this fashion, the sump will be full of metallic debris.


Run the old oil through coffee strainers to catch an debris, this will give a good indication of the trannys heath, if it is currently behaving..


Thanks for the run through I carried out an oil analysis and thankfully no foreign bodies contamination were present when put through the filter and centrifuge (not a lot given the mileage / age)
Oil had lost its properties ie viscosity etc and was quite literally like black water.....
Shifting is smooth (since the service) which is quite surprising given that it appears to be the original box, no leaks (yet)
Your input is invaluable As is everyone else’s!
 
This is a bad colour, i pulled this out my old 4hp24 ;)

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Smearing some on a piece of paper can give you a good indication of colour ;)

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In this case "brown" which isn't great but luckily not pure black!! ;)

And @RangeRoller dt that looks about the same as all Manuals boxes i've ever serviced.

I'd be more worried about your transfer box ;)
 
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