Centrifugal Filter Bolt

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BigJock2005

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Despite plus gas and being as careful as a Swiss watchmaker I managed to shear one of the bolts. I've surfed the forums and there's a number of suggestions.
The bolt shank is seized hard so will an extractor still work? Best option to my mind is to just drill out fully and pass an M6 bolt through to take a washed and nut.
Appreciate if anyone can suggest a good drill bit for this job? It's a steel nut into an alloy case, so I need a drill for mild steel right? And I guess I should use a LH drill just in case it does come loose and I can use the original thread, but I can't seem to find a LH drill bit, maybe my head's burst.
Having a cup of tea to contemplate... that may fix it by the power of tea.
Thanks
 
As it is steel into alloy, is he unit off or have you got good all-round access?
If you can get a good, hot blowlamp to where the bolt is sheared, warm the alloy around the shaft, give it a light tap and then use an Irwin Exctractor or similar.
If that doesn't work first time around, heat up as befor and then put some ice onto the steel and try the extractor again.
It should work, as that method has been used successfully for many years.
 
The bolt is sheared around 10% of the way down the thread, so I have the bolt head and a bit of shank, and maybe two threads. So it's unusable and there's nothing to get an extractor onto. I've put the cap back on the filter housing and the turbo is out at the moment, so I have clear access to drill without any risk of metal bits getting in the filter.
My plan is to drill a 1.5mm pilot with a cobalt drill, then try a bolt extractor so see if the remaining shank will break free and unscrew.
If it doesn't I'll drill a 3mm hole, and try the above again with a bigger extractor.
If that doesn't work, I'll drill out 6mm and just put long M6 through to take a washer and nut.
There really doesn't need to be much torque on these bolts, as the O-ring provides the seal, so the M6 through should provide enough tension to do the job.
What do you think?
 
Are you talking about a screw extractor, where you need to drill a hole and insert the tapered tool which expands into the shank and grips, or a bolt extractor, which grips the head of the bolt ot nut?
The screw extractor tends to spread the walls f the hole and can cause more trouble, whereas the Irwin-type grips the head or nut, and you say that you have the head and some shank, so there should be no problem.
If you haven't got a set of Irwins, I recommend that you get some, then warm up around and do as original suggestion
 
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If you bust a screw extractor in the hole then you will have a real problem as they are very hard and you will not be able to drill again.
Starting with a pilot hole I would drill it as large as possible with out damaging the hole threads. Then tap a spline bit [ torx bit ] into the hole and see if it will move the stub.Some heat will help as said above.
 
Are you talking about a screw extractor, where you need to drill a hole and insert the tapered tool which expands into the shank and grips, or a bolt extractor, which grips the head of the bolt ot nut?
The screw extractor tends to spread the walls f the hole and can cause more trouble, whereas the Irwin-type grips the head or nut, and you say that you have the head and some shank, so there should be no problem.
If you haven't got a set of Irwins, I recommend that you get some, then warm up around and do as original suggestion
I think he's saying the bolt head has snapped off.
 
I think he's saying the bolt head has snapped off.
I read it that the head might still be in place as he said, "I have the bolt head and a bit of shank, and maybe two threads" ... still in the hole, or separated at the shear point??
 
Yes, the bolt head has sheared off with about 5mm of shank. So I have the rest of the bolt shank stuck in the casing.
tottot is right, if the extractor snaps then I'm really shagged. I cant decide whether tobtry it or just drill out the full 6mm and bolt it.
 
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment.
I would now be inclined to drill out and tap to M6, as 'O' rings are cheap and plentiful.
However, I would also be inclined to put a thin smear of either Copperslip or Vaseline on the threads when you reassemble as the 'O'ring will make the seal.
Or you could fit a Dowty Seal under the screw head.
 
Yup, I'll drill out in stages and try to retap. I might give the extractor a quick go at the bigger diameter as its unlikely to break. Will update here once I'm done.
All I wanted to do was change the bloody oil...
 
There really doesn't need to be much torque on these bolts, as the O-ring provides the seal, so the M6 through should provide enough tension to do the job.

Is a common fix.
I would now be inclined to drill out and tap to M6, as 'O' rings are cheap and plentiful.
However, I would also be inclined to put a thin smear of either Copperslip or Vaseline on the threads when you reassemble as the 'O'ring will make the seal.

Where do you think the O ring is? it is not around the M6 bolt.

Cheers
 
I seen an old guy heat up a snapped bolt and held a wax candle on the hot bolt hole and the wax ran down the thread, he did this a few times, he then used an extractor to remove the bolt. Take care not to overheat alloy though or you will melt it.
 
The bolt is sheared around 10% of the way down the thread, so I have the bolt head and a bit of shank, and maybe two threads. So it's unusable and there's nothing to get an extractor onto. I've put the cap back on the filter housing and the turbo is out at the moment, so I have clear access to drill without any risk of metal bits getting in the filter.
My plan is to drill a 1.5mm pilot with a cobalt drill, then try a bolt extractor so see if the remaining shank will break free and unscrew.
If it doesn't I'll drill a 3mm hole, and try the above again with a bigger extractor.
If that doesn't work, I'll drill out 6mm and just put long M6 through to take a washer and nut.
There really doesn't need to be much torque on these bolts, as the O-ring provides the seal, so the M6 through should provide enough tension to do the job.
What do you think?
Big Jock I have been restoring vintage motorcycles for many years and have had to remove many screws,studs or bolts sized in alloy castings my recommendations are,
You will at some point be drilling the screw so be sure to center punch the screw to get the drilled hole in the center of the screw
Left hand drills tried them no success they just drill a hole as with right hand drills so I don't bother trying now.
Cobalt drill I would not recommend as it is not as efficient as a HSS drill at cutting steel and liable to wander off center and damage the thread you are trying to save.
If you meant a carbide drill which is better at cutting than a HSS drill I still would not recommend unless you have experience of using them, they are very brittle and used in a hand held drill has a tendency to break if you don't keep it perfectly in line when drilling. Then removing a broken carbide drill "you dont want to go there".
Using the tapered stud extractors is very successful but as said can when in use expand the screw you are trying to remove making it impossible to extract. Use the smallest extractor first to try to remove the screw use your watchmakers skills with a little more care this time because you don't want to break the extractor off inside the screw, better to give up with the extractor if the screw shows no sign of moving.
Heating the alloy and using a lubricant when hot to try a free the screw also works but you can't always heat things up with a torch as a gasket or seal somewhere else on the alloy mounting maybe damaged.
In this case I use localized heating by friction so in your case drill partway into the screw with say a 4mm drill then either blunt the drill on a grind stone by removing the cutting edges or simply run the drill backwards using the same action as trying to drill out the screw this will cause friction and quickly heat up the screw and localized to the screw the alloy casting again using a lubricant then try the extractor again.
Now if it is still stuck you have a tap to create the correct thread, drill it out to the correct size and re-thread it.
If after all this work the hole is so bodged you cant create the correct thread you can use a thread repair insert such as helicoil.
As a last resort drill a through hole and use as you suggested a nut and bolt on this application it would work but not on all broken studs could you use a nut and bolt.
Good luck with your repair.
 
You will at some point be drilling the screw so be sure to center punch the screw to get the drilled hole in the center of the screw

Hitting the bolt in the filter housing with a ctr punch may cause the outstand the bolt is jammed in to snap off, it is fairly weak.

Cheers
 
Hitting the bolt in the filter housing with a ctr punch may cause the outstand the bolt is jammed in to snap off, it is fairly weak.

Cheers
Use a very sharp center punch and tap it with the hammer to create an indent that the drill will follow and not wander off center when starting the drill.
Always be mindful as to what you are working with and treat it appropriately.
 
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