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myfirstl322 said:

Let's not all get cranky eh.......

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No not cranky, just practical advice. The gent in question did ask for "HELP" in making a decision, bearing in mind the intended course and some very public history, some thought on his part is required to avoid history repeating.

I think Saint has already made his mind up and he just wants reassurance from us that it is a good idea. It's not though.

Col

Gazbo said:

Sorry, I'll mention what I like. Wasn't necessarily comparing those two but you got the bit right about the connection. I consider them both to be victims of a dream, which can only become a financial nightmare. That which was proposed doesn't make a lot of sense to me but then I don't have the rose coloured glasses on either. But hey, wasting copious amounts of money you may or may not not have seems to be a favoured pastime these days.

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Wow someone woke up on crabby street, missed the train to humour station and had to catch the moody bus. Never mind it can only get better


P.s Just out of curiosity which Range Rover models do/have you own/ed?

Some reading of the comments can be quite funny at times....

I don't need to be told about the money pit aspect, been there, poured money into them - what happened with Pluribus is devastating to me (and him no doubt) I would never publicly sell a vehicle to someone that I thought was suspect as I could not live with myself knowing that, it was sold to him with full disclosure and also I said I will not hide from the vehicle, if you need anything I will be on Landyzone and he has my number - I would not want to tarnish my record by selling so publicly knowing it was going to fail.....I am not built that way.

Crank failure on the M62 is almost unheard of, I have still yet to find any other confirmed cases of crank failure. The bottom end of the M62 is famously bullet proof. The timing chain issues and the earlier oil pump drives are well documented as are the PCV and oil separator issues. But crank failure - again I am still trying to find another example. In anycase, according to Pluribus it was 'suspected crank failure' and despite many advocating getting it looked at by dropping the sump, he never got back to us to confirm either way.

My reason for this post was to gauge others attitudes to such a decision, and to keep us level headed about it - it is to easy to get carried away with the thought as I loved my L322 and would dearly love another one - and heart leads head follows....I am just trying to get an unbiased, objective view rather than the heart fluttering feeling I get when I see one for sale that I adore.

The chief reason is - the 110 is an awesome vehicle, but it is cold, draughty and noisy. With a new offspring on the way in the next few weeks, the other half said maybe we should look to get two comfortable and warm cars and I asked what she would like......her response was 'The only other car I would want to replace the 110 with is an L322'

When our first daughter was born, and a couple of months beforehand, I gave my L322 to my girlfriend as it was big, comfortable and safe for her to drive - and she loved it. I bounced between a 7'er Bimmer and a P38.

When our daughter got about 9-10 months old - I had a hankering to get my L322 back. I asked for it and she said 'You'll have to prise the keys out of my cold, dead hands before I give that car up' - I retorted with 'How about we look around for a 90 truck cab?' and with that she throw the L322 keys at me and began trolling the internet for a 90 TC.....which we found and bought.

She had that for a while until she fell pregnant again, and having a 2 seat 90 with a 2" lift, chunky tires, no watertight boot for baby stuff etc, meant we decided (reluctantly) to part with it and bought the first 110.

Unfortunately she suffered a miscarriage and we lost the baby. She was devastated obviously at loosing the baby but also because she had sold her 90 in preparation. But she loved the 110 and drove that while I had my L322 back.

Roll on to February last year. We made the decision to part with the L322, it needed some gearbox work that we knew we could financially muster at that point. So we made a decision to sell the L322 and buy another 110.

With two 110's, everything was fine until around June when I was preparing her 110 for its MOT - knowing it needed some welding on the rear I set about stripping the fuel tank and associated gubbins out so I could get access to the parts that needed work - and thats when as I was poking about with the screw driver looking for additional areas needing welding that I discovered a huged crack entirely through the chassis, the only thing holding that side ofthe car together for the rear set box and floor!!

So she was sold off to someone who had the time and space to swap out for a galv chassis and I bought another 740 BMW.

While on Holiday in September last year, we always go to the Isle of Wight as they have some great lanes to drive down there and we took the other 110. I missed driving a Land Rover product after 3 months or so of the Bimmer, and after much thinking and discussing, we sold the 7'er and bought the P38 (this now takes my P38 ownership to 5) which was to be my daily car and she would drive the 110. We found out she was pregnant and as she grew I said she should drive the P38 as it is more comfortable and easier for her to get in and out - the 110 is a climb for her 5'3" frame and being heavily prego.

So I am back in the 110 - but for a larger chap on long drives (I drive a bit for work between sites) it is a tad cramped - don't get me wrong it is OK - but not ideal. Also, as above, it is cold, draughty and noisy - not the best place for our 4 year old or the new arrival - so after much discussion with the other half - she said 'The only other car I would want to replace the 110 with is an L322'......and that is where we are at the moment.

Ant, I think you have answered your own question really. You know the L322 more intimately than any JLR mechanic, you love the looks of her and how she makes you feel when driving. Your other half also loves the model. It is a nice roomy space for all of you and more practical for a growing , young, family, than a 110. As the kids get older you/OH might want another 110 but right now , it's not the answer , nor is any other vehicle that will leave you wishing you'd got a Range Rover.
You could opt for a P38 but you would still hanker after the L322. So a year or so down the line, you would be back , with a similar post.
There is another thread, running concurrent with this one, where someone else is also asking should they or shouldnt they. The difference is the humourless naysayers haven't waded in, with undermining comments, because of the situation the member finds himself in and they know they would get torn apart.The reason I mention It is because it highlights one thing very clearly, life is too short for regrets. Take your pleasures where and when you can, you never know when circumstances might change.
In summary, I still say go for it, you know you want to

gold rover said:

Ant, I think you have answered your own question really. You know the L322 more intimately than any JLR mechanic, you love the looks of her and how she makes you feel when driving. Your other half also loves the model. It is a nice roomy space for all of you and more practical for a growing , young, family, than a 110. As the kids get older you/OH might want another 110 but right now , it's not the answer , nor is any other vehicle that will leave you wishing you'd got a Range Rover.
You could opt for a P38 but you would still hanker after the L322. So a year or so down the line, you would be back , with a similar post.
There is another thread, running concurrent with this one, where someone else is also asking should they or shouldnt they. The difference is the humourless naysayers haven't waded in, with undermining comments, because of the situation the member finds himself in and they know they would get torn apart.The reason I mention It is because it highlights one thing very clearly, life is too short for regrets. Take your pleasures where and when you can, you never know when circumstances might change.
In summary, I still say go for it, you know you want to

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It is clear you don't like it when someone has a different opinion to you but Saint said is budget is rock bottom, that is a good enough reason to stay clear, at least until the budget improves.

Col

Colthebrummie said:

It is clear you don't like it when someone has a different opinion to you but Saint said is budget is rock bottom, that is a good enough reason to stay clear, at least until the budget improves.

Col

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I'll start with something you seem to have missed, firstly, your opinion is irrelevant to me, secondly, you're the one making personal attacks because someone has a different opinion to you.
Perhaps instead of personal attacks against other members, who havent noticed your existence until you quote them, you should ask yourself, what it is about you , that you read in one of my posts that you don't like about yourself. There must be something In my posts that point a fault in yourself, for your to single me out of all those who are saying 'go for it In the meantime , here's a little tip for you 'it's not all about you, '.
Now toddle off like a good little narcissist.

Wow! You are a bigger prat than I thought. It was you that said the two or three of us who replied to Saints posts advising him against buying are humourless and naysayers. My post wasn't meant as a personal attack, it was merely a response to your description of those who disagree with your opinion. You are of course, entitled to your opinion but so are others.

Col

You sound like a range rover guy and not a defender, 90, 110 type of guy.
Positives are you will probably get 2 or 3 L322s for the sale of the 110.
I want a GMC motorhome the 70s one with the v8 petrol engine. I have a diesel motorhome that is perfect for me and a manual but i want a 8 to 9 mpg auto(hate autos) american oversized beast that will kill my wallet and no doubt let me down again and again.
No sense in it at all but..........

Gmacz said:

You sound like a range rover guy and not a defender, 90, 110 type of guy.
Positives are you will probably get 2 or 3 L322s for the sale of the 110.
I want a GMC motorhome the 70s one with the v8 petrol engine. I have a diesel motorhome that is perfect for me and a manual but i want a 8 to 9 mpg auto(hate autos) american oversized beast that will kill my wallet and no doubt let me down again and again.
No sense in it at all but..........

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As you say, no sense in it all - but the heart wants what it wants.

I have driven Range Rovers for almost 20yrs, and I live, breath and bleed Range Rovers and Green Oval products.
Ever since I was a 6 year old kid I have been passionate about Land Rovers and when I saw my first Range Rover (a mid 80's Classic) AND when I learned it was made by Land Rover - I was smitten.
If we get another L322 - it will be Range Rover number 9 - so I am not naive to their particular thirst for parts and repairs. Our budget is limited for the purchase I admit, and I am the first to always point people to the golden rule:

Never ever buy a Range Rover with a fault no matter what the seller says, unless you are prepared for the time, cost and potential heartbreak involved in repairing it. A Range Rover and a budget are poor bed fellows, never the twain shall meet.

So whilst a potential purchase will be the lower end of the market - we both fully understand the potential financial implications of parts, repairs etc. And the sale of the 110 will (hopefully) yield enough to purchase the vehicle and have a pot left over for the first few 'issues' we may encounter.

Gmacz said:

You sound like a range rover guy and not a defender, 90, 110 type of guy.
Positives are you will probably get 2 or 3 L322s for the sale of the 110.
I want a GMC motorhome the 70s one with the v8 petrol engine. I have a diesel motorhome that is perfect for me and a manual but i want a 8 to 9 mpg auto(hate autos) american oversized beast that will kill my wallet and no doubt let me down again and again.
No sense in it at all but..........

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I've always wanted one of those big motorhomes but just think our Scottish roads would be a nightmare in one. Although for me it would have to be an auto. My parents had a plan to sell up and buy one when my Dad hit 60.Sadly he lost my Mum 3yrs before retirement so the plan was lost in the mix. Again leading to you never know what's round the corner, take your pleasure where and when you can.

tomcat59alan said:

Don't think Saint needs advice, he knows the pit falls and delights of RR ownership.I'm still looking for something newer myself but in no rush because SWMBO said the two 38's must go.​

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When she says 'go' , could you get away with them living elsewhere? Or does she mean they must be sold

Saint.V8 said:

As you say, no sense in it all - but the heart wants what it wants.

I have driven Range Rovers for almost 20yrs, and I live, breath and bleed Range Rovers and Green Oval products.
Ever since I was a 6 year old kid I have been passionate about Land Rovers and when I saw my first Range Rover (a mid 80's Classic) AND when I learned it was made by Land Rover - I was smitten.
If we get another L322 - it will be Range Rover number 9 - so I am not naive to their particular thirst for parts and repairs. Our budget is limited for the purchase I admit, and I am the first to always point people to the golden rule:

Never ever buy a Range Rover with a fault no matter what the seller says, unless you are prepared for the time, cost and potential heartbreak involved in repairing it. A Range Rover and a budget are poor bed fellows, never the twain shall meet.

So whilst a potential purchase will be the lower end of the market - we both fully understand the potential financial implications of parts, repairs etc. And the sale of the 110 will (hopefully) yield enough to purchase the vehicle and have a pot left over for the first few 'issues' we may encounter.

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Well, it sounds like you have already made the decision to get one so I hope you find a good one and it gives you much pleasure. To be honest, I would love a Range Rover but I value reliability above all else, driving pleasure comes a close second but you don't get much driving pleasure when it spends much of its time on axle stands.

Col

So, did nobody suss my joke?

gold rover said:

I've always wanted one of those big motorhomes but just think our Scottish roads would be a nightmare in one.

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It is a well known fact that our roads are just way too narrow to get the road widening machine transported to them

I didnt get that one either.

myfirstl322 said:

It is a well known fact that our roads are just way too narrow to get the road widening machine transported to them

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I know, it's a darn nuisance! We should've let the Romans widen them when they wanted to Maybe they could helicopter the road widening machine in?

Gmacz said:

I didnt get that one either.

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It's simples. You need the road widening machine to widen the roads BUT you can't get the road widening machine along narrow roads.

I know.
I was replying to the first joke post with a second joke reply.