Following on from the 'ban diesel' thread....

I has bin to LunDon once, it wuz full of peepul... but them is missin' an opportunity for us to bring our less civilised wayz to them... you know, ejukate them a bit

They'll be complaining about sending kids up chimneys next.....

Fook'um

I used to live in Greater London, but now in the stix and much prefer it, but it seems all everyone wants to do is thwart us genuine enthusiast Landy owners . Not allowed inside the LEZ as it's a 'commercial vehicle' unless I pay £100 a day, but if it's got rear seats and side windows it's all OK. Same engine, same emissions.

WTF is that all about ? I can't even take mine to the cemetery where my mum and dad are buried with the mower in the back to cut the grass. Just goes to show that stupidity has no bounds.

I don't know how this works... how does this become lawful? What measures have to be met.

The Government implement it. It's then Law.

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Mr S1 said:

I used to live in Greater London, but now in the stix and much prefer it, but it seems all everyone wants to do is thwart us genuine enthusiast Landy owners . Not allowed inside the LEZ as it's a 'commercial vehicle' unless I pay £100 a day, but if it's got rear seats and side windows it's all OK. Same engine, same emissions.

WTF is that all about ? I can't even take mine to the cemetery where my mum and dad are buried with the mower in the back to cut the grass. Just goes to show that stupidity has no bounds.

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To be fair Landys probably fall into a grey area of the regs exactly because the LEZ isn't aimed at them.

Tis a pita though

Mr S1 said:

The Government implement it. It's then Law.

End of.

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Surely there has be a case presented to make this change?

Someone should have the balls to sort it out then - **** me, there's enough of us about !!!! Not exactly rare vehicles are they ??

And as if I didn't think Corbyn was a big enough c**t to start with....

'Bold' plan to ban petrol car sales The Independent

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Someone should have the balls to sort it out then - **** me, there's enough of us about !!!! Not exactly rare vehicles are they ??

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What would you suggest? If you had to draw a line between what deaths are preventable and what aren't worth bothering about where would it be and how would you prevent people being caught the wrong side of the line?

How many Landy's live inside the LEZ versus other old ****ters that spew out waaay more diesel pollution that we do ? I'd estimate 10 times. Think of all the old derv Peugeot's running about, yet as long as they pass an emissions test on an MOT (like we do !) they're allowed in. But we're not.

Plan - make Landy's exempt. As I said, if they've got side windows and seats they are, yet me as a 'commercial' with the same engine isn't ? It's stupidity.

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How many Landy's live inside the LEZ versus other old ****ters that spew out waaay more diesel pollution that we do ? I'd estimate 10 times. Think of all the old derv Peugeot's running about, yet as long as they pass an emissions test on an MOT (like we do !) they're allowed in. But we're not.

Plan - make Landy's exempt. As I said, if they've got side windows and seats they are, yet me as a 'commercial' with the same engine isn't ? It's stupidity.

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Of course it's stupid, any definitive definition will be an approximation of what is intended.

Drawing a random line to define passenger vehicles from commercial vehicles is possibly preferable to banning all of them

Please don't think I'm being obtuse, but how bad is the problem in LunDon, I never go there?

What wiv the LEZ, Sadiq's plan to ban diesels, JC's plan to ban petrol, pretty soon the only vehicles which will be allowed in that there London will be ........








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Dartmoor Navigator said:

Please don't think I'm being obtuse, but how bad is the problem in LunDon, I never go there?

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Depends on what you mean by how bad chap. Diesel cars are allowed in regardless - age, what euro reg's they do or don't meet etc no issue. If you have a commercial (be that Landy, van, HGV etc) that doesn't meet the Euro emissions reg's and want to go within the LEZ zone it's £100 a day. That's on top of the £11.50 a day congestion charge but in fairness the congestion charge zone is a lot smaller than the LEZ. My point is that if you have a 1992 Defender as I do, but it's got side windows, rear seats (County spec essentially) and is recognised by DVLA as a car then it falls under the diesel cars rule. If you have a commercial Defender with side panels and no windows, it becomes a commercial and you part your arse cheeks to the Government to go inside the LEZ.

Similar to toll charges on bridges then.

No, what I mean is how bad is the LunDon pollution?

That I don't know fella ! Let's put it this way, I was in Beijing about 8 weeks ago and I had a sore throat because pollution was that bad....and I've never had that in London !

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That I don't know fella ! Let's put it this way, I was in Beijing about 8 weeks ago and I had a sore throat because pollution was that bad....and I've never had that in London !

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Yup, but we have to accept the levels of acceptability are varied across the globe.

I'm not trying to defend the ban here. But I am genuinely trying to understand it... it must be evidenced based surely? And that evidence would form the case in which the legislation is built???

If not, then you're right; it's a crock!

I think you'll find that these bans aren't legislation as in the law of the land but local restrictions put in place by TFL and the GLC or whatever they call themselves these days. I believe that they did have to have the agreement of the Dept of Transport before they came into force.
If it a "Government thing", then the same restrictions would be in place in other UK cities, instead of them having to try to first get the city and/or county councils to agree before then having to lobby the Dept of Transport and the Dept of the Environment for the "go-ahead".