td5 exhaust manifold

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starr870

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My discovery 2 td5 started whistling under acceleration which i have traced to a warped exhaust manifold, easy i thought get manifold skimmed back on jobs a good un! Trouble is that one of the studs has stripped the thread in the head, can i just tap out the head with an m10 tap and use an m10 socket head screw instead of the stud? Any advice will be appriciated.
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Andy.
 
Following this thread hope you worked out your problem. Here is what happened to me.. Hope the sharing helps others:

So, after spending a heap of time reading about Td5 "squealing" and having already changed auxiliary belt, tensioner and ACE pump (due to a bit of 'in-and-out' play in the pulley - which turned out to be a normal design tolerance) and it's still squealing!

So next line of thought was the dreaded exhaust manifold gasket and lo-and-behold snapped studs. Just a couple on port 1 and 5 - as expected.

Parts arrived (see this guys blog on part numbers and a good "how-to" TD5 Exhaust Manifold Change | Alex Threlfall's Blog) including longer Wurth studs and copper nuts (12mm socket M8's not 13mm socket M8's - get 'em from eBay!), some nice new left-hand drill bits and extractors - I was prepared for a fight!!!

But it only took 3 days of regular soaks in penetrating oil (I used "BreakAway- US brand available here in Spain" but I'm sure trusted WD40 does the same job) and with the drill on 'hammer' setting both broken studs popped straight out with no fuss !!!

The manifold was warped by about 1.75mm from front to back so that was skimmed by a local workshop and cost about 30 quid. So far so good. Oh, BTW this Td5 is not remapped soA

So to get the manifold off here are my tips:

1. use LOADS of penetrating oil, days in advance!
2. make sure you have a good socket set with all the 'bendy-bits'
3. get a deeper 12mm socket as the uprated Wurth studs are longer and they'll 'bottom out' on regular sockets. Also LandRover, in their almighty wisdom, have stamped their logo in relief on the manifold just in front of the bottom stud of port 2.. making it impossible to get a regular socket to line up OK.
4. Take the cover off the centrifugal oil filter and remove the filter. PLUG THE GAP WITH BOG ROLL OR SOMETHING - you don't want and nuts disappearing down the oil drain pipe!
5. A/C compressor needs to be unhooked but can be moved aside without needing to have it disconnected and de-gassed. Having moved it I found that one of the A/C pipes had been rubbing on the centrifugal oil drain pipe and had worn through the heat shielding. A plastic zip-tie held it out of harms way on re-assembly.
6. I don't know if this is recommended but I do it anyway - coat all bolt and stud threads with a bit of anti-sieze copper grease from Halfords... might help later on ;-)

Reassembly went like a dream. I did replace the turbo-side studs & gasket as well (not Wurth studs as they're too long for that side) and its a bit fiddly getting the bottom nut torqued up.. that's also where the patience is needed.

So I'm on a roll and everything goes great.

But, guess what, still squealing! WTF. Much less than before I must admit but I'm lost now for ideas. I'm gonna re-torque the manifold lugs tomorrow after taking it out on a good long drive. Refitting was done well... I promise! (re-did it to make sure).

So, any of you reading this have ideas or suggestions they're well-welcome. My only thought is settling in time for the newly machined manifold (which re-torquing might solve)... or, warped cylinder head (but I have none of the other typical symptoms for this). Apart from the (quieter) squealing this car is pretty much 100%!!!

Funny... I only give my car and my dog this level of attention ;-) my partner and family make do.....!

Hopefully this will help someone... and also help me....
 
Well,... I did a search... and I am so pleased to discover I am not the only one to have put the * thing back together just to find it still whistles!! I used a second hand manifold which was pretty straight (emeried on a proper flat) and new gaskets etc..
Off to get my original skimmed and try again, At least I'll be quicker the second time!
 
Quick update just in case anyone is following this or has similar trouble themselves.
Well, got the skimmed original manifold back on now and it hasn't made the slightest difference, :( and I can see from the gaskets that I did a good job the first time anyway. In the re-build I forgot the oil feed for the turbo before testing the engine!! not recommended! In the clean up process I can't see any problem with the downpipe although if it were leaking in the flexible part I guess it wouldn't be obvious.
If anything the problem is worse, whistles under load from about 1600 rpm but in every other respect seems fine.:confused:
 
are you sure it's not a sound from the turbocharger? ....use some soapy water on the manifold, you must see bubbles if, when and where it leaks
 
Couple of months on now, tested with soapy water, (nothing showed up) but discovered the waste gate actuator wasn't working. As you get a new one with a new turbo I decided to go the whole hog and have in the last ten days renewed the turbo, the down-pipe (minor leak discovered at the base of the flexible), the vacuum valve thingy and the small vacuum pipes, some of which were cracking up. Put it all back together and yes....... it still whistles!!!! Wondering about crankcase pressure??? anyone got any tips on that score?
 
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