Ceramic Brake Pads

Can you get them for a 97 Diesel? and do they wear out the disk faster or not? disadvantages when fitted?

Brake pads are responsible for actually stopping the car. When the brake pedal is pushed in a disc brake system, it activates calipers that press the brake pads against the tire rotors. The brake pads must be able to absorb enough energy and heat to grip the tire and reduce speed.

Benefits
The surfaces of ceramic brake pads are made from ceramic materials and copper fibers. This is in stark contrast to semi-metallic pads which use steel wool and fibers. While steel is strong and conducts heat away from the rotors, it's noisy and actually acts as an abrasive, contributing to rotor wear and tear.

In comparison, ceramic brake pads are much quieter. They handle extremely high temperatures with little fade, allowing them to recover quickly and cause less damage to rotors. The ceramic compounds dampen noise and shift vibrations to frequencies higher than the human ear can detect, rendering annoying squeals a thing of the past.

When ceramic brake pads wear down, they produce finer, lighter dust than their semi-metallic counterparts. The dust doesn't stick to wheels, keeping them cleaner.

Studies have also indicated ceramic brake pads have longer life spans without ever sacrificing of noise control, rotor life or braking performance.

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Features
Ceramic brake pads have three features not found on other pads: chamfers, slots and insulator shims.

The specially angled or beveled edges of a ceramic brake pad are called chamfers. They reduce the pad's surface area, creating more gripping pressure and reducing noise when brakes are first applied.

Ceramic brake pads also feature slots or grooves cut into the pad to change vibration frequency and to permit gas and dust to escape under high temperatures.

Insulator shims are yet another measure taken to reduce noise. They provide an additional layer to absorb sound and dampen vibrations.

Considerations
Not all ceramic brake pads are the same. The exact composition of the ceramic-based friction material varies among manufacturers. It's important to know the exact ceramic materials used, their particle sizes, distribution and hardness, because all these factors can affect performance.

Warnings
Ceramic brake pads tend to be more expensive than semi-metallic pads. Ceramic pads aren't suitable for all applications. Never use ceramic pads to replace the semi-metallic pads on larger, heavier trucks and SUVs, since the metal linings may be required to manage the hefty weights and increased temperatures.

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Fur Trapper said:

Brake pads are responsible for actually stopping the car. When the brake pedal is pushed in a disc brake system, it activates calipers that press the brake pads against the tire rotors.

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That was obviously written for Americans and stupid folk, possibly both, most likely by an author who knows his audience well.

Thats the trouble with cut and past, you dont read it when you do it

The brake pads must be able to absorb enough energy and heat to grip the tire and reduce speed.

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Whats

rotors

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I would rather ask people from experience, who have used them

Yea not much made sense to me at all

I believe carbon Ceramic disks and pads are expensive, like Bugatti Vayron expensive !!
here's a linky to Brembo disks and heres link 2 one to EBC.

Do they make a pad for a Defender = dunno.

Why do you want them ?

I was hoping for a few things (if they have come down in price) less risk of the disk warping, less brake fade, less dust on the rims, and longer lasting pads.... a lot to ask I know, but I think there the clams that they make, wonder if its true and people have real experience of the clams?

I thought you could buy just the pads, to go with your existing disks?

DA4159 = Greenstuff EBC pads for the front of your Landy = £29 to £39 (not sure if that's a pair or per axle) Redstuff (ceramic) seem to be around the £100 per pair (so £200 per axle).

Sounds like a waste of money to me ....

Dopey said:

I was hoping for a few things (if they have come down in price) less risk of the disk warping, less brake fade, less dust on the rims, and longer lasting pads

I thought you could buy just the pads, to go with your existing disks?

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FFS Dopey it's a LAND ROVER not a Subaru Rally car. If you can see brake dust on your wheels then you are not driving through enough muddy puddles.
How are you experiencing brake fade ?
Stay off the race track, it's a LAND ROVER !!

And if you do manage to warp your disks (not likely but possible I guess) remember you can buy a new pair including Greenstuff pads for around £100. (EBay Item number: 270914567460 Land Rover Defender 110 Front Performance Brake Discs & EBC Greenstuff Pads | eBay )

P38 warps disks pretty easily, at least in my experience. I'm sure that stuck sliding pins on calipers helped that, but it still happened twice in a year

mile and half you can get serious brake fade when driven like it is stolen- don't ask how I know SD1 same

Hi dopey when I used to ride bikes about 1000 miles a week I tryed a set of pads called ecb double h . They were very good at stopping especially in the wet recomended by motorcycle shop . After 4 weeks yes four weeks my rotors were shagged .I had done thousands of trouble free miles before couldn't work out why after looking in to it talks with ecb manufacture i found out the pads wernt compatible with the disks the shop paid for pads and disks . I got the same pads and recomended disks never had a problem after that awesome braking power even in the rain scary. So be warned make sure they are compatible with your disks!

Just fit standard discs and standard pads for christ sake, driven normally you will never get brake fade. As standard, the brakes on a P38 are superb.

Or go on advanced driver coarse and learn to read the road ahead thus preventing the need for harsh braking apart from an emergency .( this was intended as a joke but someone bit)

Anybody who has driven a few years should be able to do that, no need for a training course. Anticipation is something that seems lacking these days. There is far to much last second hard braking these days, you see it all the time, no wonder we get lots of little bumps. Driving smoothly seems to be a thing of the past.

It's not just reading is it. ( I S P G A)Information speed potition gear acceleration

defender300td1 said:

It's not just reading is it. ( I S P G A)Information speed potition gear acceleration

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Does that not come under the smooth driving heading?

I'm going to bite just once . A smooth driver does not make a safe driver who is aware of what is happening around them at the right speed ,position ( safest) right gear and accelerates at the right time

defender300td1 said:

I'm going to bite just once . A smooth driver does not make a safe driver who is aware of what is happening around them at the right speed ,position ( safest) right gear and accelerates at the right time

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No there are other things to consider, but we are talking about brake fade here. So being a smooth driver and not last second braking, would seem to help that particular problem. Having driven every type of vehicle it is possible to drive on the road in the last fifty years, does give me some sort of qualification to say this. Without the need for some advanced tuition from somebody who is most likely a lot less experienced than i am.

So your seventy most people pass driving test in there twentys But I don't think your seventy you mean you been driving for 30 ish years. So there is four years difference between us. So you think you know it all. Wammers answer this your in a town centre uk road your aprochiing a big red bus . People are getting off your just passing the bus how would you know if someone was about to walk out in front of you mr experienced??

Ps poor dopey at least I answers something relitive to what he wanted to know not your opinion well they were fitted with standard so that's should be good enough .

I await your experienced sensible answer!