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haighy2

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after getting moaned at by a few of my friends that go green laning, they have told me my td5 will be tosh off road due to having no diff lock, but with mine been an early one (2000) and after having a look , mine has all the internals and the spigot on top of the box so I could make mine diff lockable,,, the question is , will I benefit from spending the said 230ish due to me mainly going on slippy fields and not doing much if any serious off road stuff ?
thanks
 
It's the single best upgrade you can make to offroad capability in terms of bang for the buck. Whether that's worth it for you is your decision alone.
 
I made my own lol two 6mm nuts locked onto spigot coming out of top of transfer box, drilled hole from inside drivers side (near. Drivers left leg ) put a cheap 13mm socket and extension bar 1/4" drive through make a leather gater to make it look tidy and being a small extention bar you can make a nice removable leaver to click on when needed
 
Your mates are talking rubbish saying it will be tosh. Challenge them to a slow drive over an axle twister and see how it compares ;)

Still a well worth while mod mind. I've got the internals but no lever, said to myself I'll get one as soon as I get stuck and think difflock would have saved me . . . not happened yet.
 
The TC (Traction Control) works remarkably well, but with the CDL in addition it's just all better.

If you are just on wet grass I wouldn't bother, just make sure your discs and pads are in good condition as the TC works through the braking system.

If you're in search of mud and you have the proper tyres, then yes go for the CDL lever. But having the proper tyres tyres would come first in my mind.


Dave
 
Traction control works so well and so quickly that I've never needed to think about the centre differential. most of the time we need it is on fields and showgrounds that have got waterlogged, but even with the big trailer behind us we've never got stuck yet.

Useful? yes, definitely, but not required for 99% of what you will drive. The tyres you use make a big difference as well.

Peter
 
hmmmm I know I am going to need some good tyres and I am going to have to change from the 18" wheels , I may just bite the bullet and do the whole wheel and tyre package and the diff lock mod at least then I wont be kicking my self if I ever do need it and didn't fit it
 
We run Nexen Roadian A/T M+S 255/65R16's, I think Camskill have still got them on offer around £80 each.

We've had them on two and a half years now, they were very good through the snow in 2012/13 winter, haven't had much since then.

Peter
 
haighy2 said:
hmmmm I know I am going to need some good tyres and I am going to have to change from the 18" wheels , I may just bite the bullet and do the whole wheel and tyre package and the diff lock mod at least then I wont be kicking my self if I ever do need it and didn't fit it
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No CDL = utter tosh?? Definitely not! When I first got my Disco 2 I was a little sceptical... That was until I tried her green laning. :p

Assuming the discs and pads are working properly then TC works :cool: check out my vids in the West Yorkshire Laning thread, not to mention some photos. Also see this thread:
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f13/newbie-laning-recovery-training-cheap-option-235018-25.html Post #241 onwards. Mine's the Y-reg silver D2

You'll see what an 18" alloy shod stock D2 running Toyo AT tyres can do. It still amazes me :dance::dance:

Yes a switch to 16" wheels would be good with the increase in tyre sidewall depth.

Anyway, give it a go, you should be pleasantly surprised...unless you try and go through some really extreme terrain :D
 
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thebiglad said:
The TC (Traction Control) works remarkably well, but with the CDL in addition it's just all better.

If you are just on wet grass I wouldn't bother, just make sure your discs and pads are in good condition as the TC works through the braking system.
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I agree the TC on it's own works very well, however wet grass can be one of the most slippery of surfaces and having a CDL could potentially be the difference between digging yourself a hole or not.
Not only that, but you're putting less "wear and tear" on the brake system and are less likely to cause damage to a diff/ half shaft etc.

What do you do when you're in the middle of a field and pong pong pong 3 amigos come on...?
Certainly one of the best D2 mods IMO.
 
robhew86 said:
Not only that, but you're putting less "wear and tear" on the brake system and are less likely to cause damage to a diff/ half shaft etc.
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I can agree to some extent regarding the wear & tear on the brakes aspect, but at least the pads and discs are cheap :) (not priced up the rest of the system though!).

Less damage to a halfshaft or diff? Not too sure... :confused: Picture a more extreme example, not a muddy field, but a cross-axle situation:

A wheel is in the air, so the TC prevents that wheel from spinning; drive goes to the wheels in contact with the ground and the car moves. The wheel in mid air drops back on to the ground. Because it is braked and stationary (or hardly moving), not much shock loading, if any, will be transferred through the halfshaft and differential. Unlike when a spinning wheel drops on to the ground and then suddenly grips.....

No argument from me regarding carrying out the CDL mod - definitely having both axles connected and driven will of course make things easier... as long as the CDL switch is disconnected to ensure that it does not turn off the TC and ABS ;) ;)
 
listerdiesel said:
Traction control works so well and so quickly that I've never needed to think about the centre differential. most of the time we need it is on fields and showgrounds that have got waterlogged, but even with the big trailer behind us we've never got stuck yet.

Useful? yes, definitely, but not required for 99% of what you will drive. The tyres you use make a big difference as well.

Peter
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+1 cdl only ensure drive to 2 wheels tc to all 4
 
robhew86 said:
What do you do when you're in the middle of a field and pong pong pong 3 amigos come on...?
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That's a pretty unlikely scenario to use as an excuse for not using TC.

Remember that A CDL will only guarantee drive to two wheels, TC will give you drive to any wheel with grip and stop the others spinning.

You also need to think about the SLABS ECU mod or fit the later SLABS ECU that can cope with the CDL being active.

Peter
 
I've done it to ours and its one of the best mods I've done second only to better tyres.

There is no denying the standard TC works extremely well on its own and even at Pay&Play sites the disco didn't ever embarrass itself.

Since fitting the difflock i've noticed the TC activating a LOT less. And when it does it has a bigger/quicker effect on forward movement than before. The TC now only has to manage power left and right on the axels instead of looking after all 4 wheels in one.
 
Have u seen the U Tube video of the RR trying to cross a muddy LR show field with it's TC operating but going nowhere fast, while other LRs no doubt with diff lock carry on across the field with out any problems.

Having to spin the wheels before TC operates on as slippery surface and therefore make the area even slipperier is not a good idea, is it.

In the winter of 2011-12 I saw a RR with its wheels spinning etc etc hardly moving on the slight slope of the QE2 bridge.. if u know it.. I was in the lane alongside and all I did was take my foot off the brake pedal and without any throttle started moving up the slope just as if the road was dry not the 3inches of snow and I have standard Goodyear tyres.

Then later a RRS trying to do a hill start with the usual stop start of the wheels I even stopped along side but the driver said he was OK so I just released the brake and move on up the hill.

LR have now seen the light and make a locking rear diff on discos and RRs an option and now even standard on V8 RRs.

TC is great on normal cars keeping it in line on bends and round a bouts :D
 
discool said:
In the winter of 2011-12 I saw a RR with its wheels spinning etc etc hardly moving on the slight slope of the QE2 bridge.. if u know it.. I was in the lane alongside and all I did was take my foot off the brake pedal and without any throttle started moving up the slope just as if the road was dry not the 3inches of snow and I have standard Goodyear tyres.

Then later a RRS trying to do a hill start with the usual stop start of the wheels I even stopped along side but the driver said he was OK so I just released the brake and move on up the hill.
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I'm willing to bet those events were more driver error than s**t Traction Control. TC isn't a substitute for driving skill, as you demonstrated by being gentle with the controls in the snow as you should. Give it a boot full and you'll spin on snow regardless of TC or CDL.

Also with TC, It needs to see a speed differential in the wheels as you said. If the above drivers did as I suspect and just put their foot down, the TC will do exactly as programmed. It'll see slip and try to provide equal drive to all four wheels, It'll then spin all four due to too much power and then assume the car is moving forward and shut down as it thinks all is well.
 
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discool said:
Have u seen the U Tube video of the RR trying to cross a muddy LR show field with it's TC operating but going nowhere fast, while other LRs no doubt with diff lock carry on across the field with out any problems.

Having to spin the wheels before TC operates on as slippery surface and therefore make the area even slipperier is not a good idea, is it.

In the winter of 2011-12 I saw a RR with its wheels spinning etc etc hardly moving on the slight slope of the QE2 bridge.. if u know it.. I was in the lane alongside and all I did was take my foot off the brake pedal and without any throttle started moving up the slope just as if the road was dry not the 3inches of snow and I have standard Goodyear tyres.

Then later a RRS trying to do a hill start with the usual stop start of the wheels I even stopped along side but the driver said he was OK so I just released the brake and move on up the hill.

LR have now seen the light and make a locking rear diff on discos and RRs an option and now even standard on V8 RRs.

TC is great on normal cars keeping it in line on bends and round a bouts :D
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Yeh I didn't get anywhere in the snow or mud or any fields with just my TC.

Oh no wait I get everywhere just fine.

You can't count a few a newbies not knowing how to work the system as an indication of it's success.
 
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