On 2006-06-29, Lee_D <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:
> What is actually wrong with the 101, all be it not the aging ones,
> but the model it's self? Landrover could easliy have bunged the 200
> and 30 Tdi's in them and still been quicker than the Pinz.
Don't forget that the British army never used the gen 1 pinz, only the
gen 2, with disc brakes, power steering, more powerful engine etc.
Speed's not much of an issue for the army generally, you're not going
to do 90MPH towing an artillery piece. A gen 2 will do about 75/80MPH.
The 101 AIUI just wasn't developed by Land Rover, or the units they
did develop didn't make the grade (was it the Llama?). It seems they
gave up on the military market as the brand took off in the consumer
market.
> Like other than the engine and box the 110 seems to offer little
> more than the 109's. Ok suspension is different but in principle the
> vehicle offers little more to the end users.
Land rover have to keep up with regulations and rivals in the civilian
market, so their military kit has to follow suit. I don't agree that
the 110 is no improvement over the 109 either, especially for civvies.
> The Llama appeared on the face of it to be ready to roll off the
> production lines so Landrover could have pulled it off had the money
> been waved under there noses, or so it seems to a casual observer.
Depends on how serious they were I suppose, I don't think the Llama
was that far down the line before being taken out and shot, some
prototypes were made.
Plus of course the pinz really will leave a stock landy in the dust
when it comes to off-roading, so any re-clothing of a 110 in forward
control form wouldn't have made the grade against a 716 or 718. If
they were matched in price, the 716/8 would win, so it depends I
suppose on Land Rover's projected price of a new unproven vehicle
against one already in use and production.
The stupid thing is though, a landy with lockers and portals on it
could easily beat a 4x4 pinz, pinzgauer axle articulation even on the
newer models isn't that good, certainly less than a stock landy. It
wouldn't take much for Land Rover to have made a more extreme version
of the Defender that could keep up off-road. The pinz has the same
sized tyres as the landy so its 16 inches of ground clearance versus
my 110's 8 inches is down to the portals, the rest is down to the
lockers. You'd be amazed at the difference the clearance and lockers
makes though.
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