Zues Timing Gears

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riggaz

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Thinking about fitting some, anyone had any experience with them. There are web sites warning about failures but they are d.i.y fit so many of these could be due to incorrect fitment. Are there any authorised Zues fitters or Land Rover techs that have had experience/problems with them.

Thanks in advance

Riggaz
 
bloke down the road from me fitted to his 300tdi, fitted it himself in half a day and was well chuffed with it

untill after 6K it broke taking the engine with it - Zues just didnt want to know dispite having been sent a number of legal letters with threats of action

a while back i looked into doing the conversion for one of mine but after having read probably the same articles as you have, and after seeing the lack of response from Zues i dont think i would bother
 
bloke down the road from me fitted to his 300tdi, fitted it himself in half a day and was well chuffed with it

untill after 6K it broke taking the engine with it - Zues just didnt want to know dispite having been sent a number of legal letters with threats of action

a while back i looked into doing the conversion for one of mine but after having read probably the same articles as you have, and after seeing the lack of response from Zues i dont think i would bother

Are they tricky to fit, no chance he could have fitted them wrong or anything?

Riggaz
 
he did say fitting it was easier than he expected - but then he is a mechanic, allbeit on John Deere machines - and he paid for 2 independant inspections in support of his "not fit for purpose" claim - each said it was fitted fully in accordance with the instructions - Zues basically said an engine fault must have caused the chain to fail, rather than the other way round

and the bloke didnt have the time or money to take his case any further

same as most things you only tend to hear about the problems, i'd be interested to know how many they have sold and how many have done in excess of 60k - 80K
 
he did say fitting it was easier than he expected - but then he is a mechanic, allbeit on John Deere machines - and he paid for 2 independant inspections in support of his "not fit for purpose" claim - each said it was fitted fully in accordance with the instructions - Zues basically said an engine fault must have caused the chain to fail, rather than the other way round

and the bloke didnt have the time or money to take his case any further

same as most things you only tend to hear about the problems, i'd be interested to know how many they have sold and how many have done in excess of 60k - 80K

Not much customer service there then. Chain? I was just checking to see how competent he was with engines, i'm sure some novices have tried it and made mistakes but he sounds like he's done it right. I cant understand them, there should be nothing that could make gears fail even if there was an engine fault surely.

Riggaz
 
Not much customer service there then. Chain? I was just checking to see how competent he was with engines, i'm sure some novices have tried it and made mistakes but he sounds like he's done it right. I cant understand them, there should be nothing that could make gears fail even if there was an engine fault surely.

Riggaz

yer it was the chain, two of the pins had sheared - i told him to take it to a metallugist but he just gave it up as a bad un and threw it all away (after waiting a year for a response from zues)
 
yer it was the chain, two of the pins had sheared - i told him to take it to a metallugist but he just gave it up as a bad un and threw it all away (after waiting a year for a response from zues)

I thought the zeus kit was all gears, or is part of it chain driven?

Riggaz
 
that's what i have allways thought

That's weird isn't it, i have send zeus a couple of emails but no one has replied and i'm a potential customer. They advertise a 12 / 12 warranty so your mate was in the right and should have been covered. I'm going to ring em i think and find out a bit more about them, their web site tells you jack **** about the product.

Riggaz
 
That's weird isn't it, i have send zeus a couple of emails but no one has replied and i'm a potential customer. They advertise a 12 / 12 warranty so your mate was in the right and should have been covered. I'm going to ring em i think and find out a bit more about them, their web site tells you jack **** about the product.

Riggaz

maybe they panic when someone enquires about it as they dont want another headache

i've seen two types of kit from them - one does have a chain, that runs through some cogs that replace the existing pulleys, and a version that just consists of a set of replacement gears that mesh and replace the pulleys - i think the chain version is the older type
 
Zeus timing gears for 2.5 Landies are all gears.

The principle of gears is fine, but the execution is dismal, and failures are probable. In the old Autin diesel taxi engine the timing was by gears, and I can tell you those were GEARS compared to the wimp Zeus stuff.

From the crankshaft gear the drive is taken to a larger idler gear, so this runs much slower than the crankshaft, about half-speed in fact.

This gear meshes with a gear on the camshaft with twice as many teeth as the crankshaft gear, so the camshaft turns at half engine speed.

An identical gear is fitted to the injection pump, but because it and the camshaft MUST turn in the same direction (both the same way as the crankshaft) these two gears cannot be allowed to mesh directly. So there is a second idler gear fitted between them, which is about the same size as the crankshaft pulley. Bad plan .....because the drive is taken from a BIG gear to a small gear the small gear has to go twice as fast, AND it gets badly distributed forces and increased forces applied to it. Basically, it all looks like a recipe for disaster to me.

Change belts as required, and save the money, especially as Zeus seem to have a shocking reputation for "service" when their product fails.

CharlesY
 
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