Wobbly front wheel..

I've got some inconsistencies during braking, getting worse so jacked her up today for a look-see. Found slight play in os front and loads in ns front.
Play is in the king pins wheel rocked at 6 and 12 'o' clock.
Mine are the earlier type with a top bush not bearing type.
I suspect that I can cure the os by shim removal the ns is a lot worse so I think that may need a strip down.
My problem is that once stripped I have no transport to fetch parts.
What bits am I likely to need ?
Got cv grease and a spring scale for pre loading.

Flossie said:

I've got some inconsistencies during braking, getting worse so jacked her up today for a look-see. Found slight play in os front and loads in ns front.
Play is in the king pins wheel rocked at 6 and 12 'o' clock.
Mine are the earlier type with a bottom bush not bearing type.
I suspect that I can cure the os by shim removal the ns is a lot worse so I think that may need a strip down.
My problem is that once stripped I have no transport to fetch parts.
What bits am I likely to need ?
Got cv grease and a spring scale for pre loading.

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I think you can buy swivel pin kits from the usual suspects.
They contain the lot, which is basically the pins and bushes, swivel seals, and the paper gaskets for the wheel hubs and the axle to ball housing flanges.
Make sure you have the right spanner for the axle to ball housing flanges, and for the calipers. From memory, it is a 16mm ring, but a point drive one, not surface drive.
Personally, I always use oil in the swivel housings, but some like the grease.

There is a lot of play which is acxtually way out of proportion to the number of shimms.
If in doubt, whip one side off and remove all the shimms and see if that cures the problem when you tighten up again.
If it does, put however many require back to give you a pre-load of around 4kg.
At this stage, don't remove the bottom swivel pin, as the chances are that it will be sound!
It should only take you about 20 minutes per side, and you might not have to go and spend anything!

Thanks lads
A mate turned up earlier and I got him to rock the wheel for me(not jacked up though) and the play looks to be in the bottom pin/bearing mainly.
It could have been an illusion though, I just glanced at it whilst kneeling down on my broken brick drive in the rain
I've looked online and a kit is indeed available like @Turboman says for £20 ISH a side. Comes with the top pin and bush and bottom bearing (but no bottom pin )and seals/gaskets etc.
I'll have a better look tomorrow with a sheet of plywood to lie on and decide if to buy the kits then.

Happy days
Jacked her up, removed road wheel, cleaned off mud/crud from around the top pin/bolts and went to undo the two 17mm bolts and they were loose
1 1/2 turns loose roughly.
No idea how that's happened, not touched them for 4or5 yrs at least, the other wheel side is fine.
Bit of thread lock on them and re tightened and all is good again
Brakes/steering all back to normal.
Sweet

Flossie said:

Happy days
Jacked her up, removed road wheel, cleaned off mud/crud from around the top pin/bolts and went to undo the two 17mm bolts and they were loose
1 1/2 turns loose roughly.
No idea how that's happened, not touched them for 4or5 yrs at least, the other wheel side is fine.
Bit of thread lock on them and re tightened and all is good again
Brakes/steering all back to normal.
Sweet

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Just from memory, there should be a lock washer under those bolts, with tabs that you chisel up against the bolt heads so they don't undo.

Not on mine (1986 vintage)
Parts book doesn't show them either. However, the parts book does look like there might be one on the bottom pin, if there is, then mine will have them cos I rebuilt the whole vehicle to LR spec using the official parts box 14 yrs ago ISH.
I would have gone outside and had a look see but it's raining again.

Flossie said:

Not on mine (1986 vintage)
Parts book doesn't show them either. However, the parts book does look like there might be one on the bottom pin, if there is, then mine will have them cos I rebuilt the whole vehicle to LR spec using the official parts box 14 yrs ago ISH.
I would have gone outside and had a look see but it's raining again.

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Could be only the bottom ones, it is a few years since I rebuilt one of those.

I don't recall any lock washers or tabs on mine (2006 model) last time I worked on them at the end of 2014. I put lots of Loc-Tite on all the bolts though. The kits don't contain the bottom pin because it doesn't usually need replacing, because it's not a wear surface. Unless of course the bottom tapered roller bearing has locked up solid! Personally, I think I'll be replacing the bottom bearing - the one that takes all the weight - fairly regularly in future because it keeps the handling nice and positive.

Brown said:

I don't recall any lock washers or tabs on mine (2006 model) last time I worked on them at the end of 2014. I put lots of Loc-Tite on all the bolts though. The kits don't contain the bottom pin because it doesn't usually need replacing, because it's not a wear surface. Unless of course the bottom tapered roller bearing has locked up solid! Personally, I think I'll be replacing the bottom bearing - the one that takes all the weight - fairly regularly in future because it keeps the handling nice and positive.

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Lock washers had gone out of fashion by 2006. They were common on older vehicles.

Turboman said:

Lock washers had gone out of fashion by 2006. They were common on older vehicles.

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Yes, I know - I used to love those elaborate old yokes with tabs that you bent up against the flats of the nut. I miss them. Left hand threads on the passenger side too, in some cases.

I seem to remember them on mine., 84 , don't they also hold the brake pipe?

nobber said:

I seem to remember them on mine., 84 , don't they also hold the brake pipe?

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Yes, mine (86) has a flat plate with an upstanding that supports the brake pipe, no lock tabs though.
Item 5 in parts book

Think locking tabs were a Series thing, never seen any on a 90/110/Defender.

If they were then it was only very early vehicles.

Retroanaconda said:

Think locking tabs were a Series thing, never seen any on a 90/110/Defender.

If they were then it was only very early vehicles.

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Bottom swivels on Ninety One ten have tabs, and there is a big one on the steering drop arm.

Never seen them on the lower swivel pin and they don’t appear in the parts book. There is a plate with a tab that mounts the brake shield though.

Drop arm has one yes, I was referring to the swivels specifically.