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What's the best stock 4x4 system for snow?

Discussion in 'rec.autos.4x4' started by Christopher Grenness, Mar 18, 2004.

  1. I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
    I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
    Rover Discovery II.
    All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
    impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
    they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
    moving if all four wheels are in the air...).

    What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
    eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
    I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
    4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
    sure.

    Can someone point me in the right direction?

    And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
    add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
    best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...


    Best regards,

    Christopher
    Oslo, Norway
     


  2. Christopher Grenness wrote:
    >


    > I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
    > 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
    > sure.


    As far as I know this is a part-time 4x4. So, no center diff but a
    t-case.
    Those are always locked in 4WD mode. They all also seem to have a
    factory built in limited slip diff in the rear. Not a locker.
    Lockers make steering in the snow more or less impossible.
    I think still the best idea is a permanent 4WD with open diffs. Like the
    Discovery II. Do not stall when driving just keep it rolling.
    If you get stuck you can always try the center diff lock to get you out.
    Make also sure you have the right tyres for these conditions. Air them
    down if neccesary.
    Kind regards,
    Erik-Jan.
    http://www.fotograaf.com/trooper
     
  3. any 4x4 can be good in the snow it all depens on the TYRES. BUY some good
    snow tyres.
    james

    "Erik-Jan Geniets" <ej@fotograaf.com> wrote in message
    news:405978C7.B96111BF@fotograaf.com...
    >
    >
    > Christopher Grenness wrote:
    > >

    >
    > > I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
    > > 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
    > > sure.

    >
    > As far as I know this is a part-time 4x4. So, no center diff but a
    > t-case.
    > Those are always locked in 4WD mode. They all also seem to have a
    > factory built in limited slip diff in the rear. Not a locker.
    > Lockers make steering in the snow more or less impossible.
    > I think still the best idea is a permanent 4WD with open diffs. Like the
    > Discovery II. Do not stall when driving just keep it rolling.
    > If you get stuck you can always try the center diff lock to get you out.
    > Make also sure you have the right tyres for these conditions. Air them
    > down if neccesary.
    > Kind regards,
    > Erik-Jan.
    > http://www.fotograaf.com/trooper



     
  4. TOXICTAVRN

    TOXICTAVRN Guest

    >I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in >snowy conditions.
    >I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land

    Rover Discovery II.
    All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
    impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
    they landed on their bellies, though. I know >that no car can keep on
    moving if all four wheels are in the air...).

    >What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to

    eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
    I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
    >4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not

    sure.

    >Can someone point me in the right direction?


    >And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
    >add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my >Jeeps but I'm looking for the
    >best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in >snow...



    >Best regards,


    Christopher
    Oslo, Norway

    > any 4x4 can be good in the snow it all depens on the TYRES. BUY some good
    >snow tyres.
    >james
    >


    yes yes and yes, any part time 4wd system can handle deep snow effectively,
    things that help make it better, number 1 is good aggressive tires, number 2
    aggressive tires, a standard transmission will outperform an auto tranny in 4wd
    situations, its all i will ever drive off road and in the snow, a limited slip
    rear dif is very important, a powerful motor helps a lot as well, i find a lot
    of 4cyl and 6cyl 4wd's lack enough power to muscle through deep snow and slush
    with ease, the 3 vehicles you mentioned are as good as any, but proper setup
    makes all the difference, my ram is like a bulldozer in the snow, but i have
    all the good stuff, awesome tires, heavy vehicle(7k lbs), a std tranny with a
    granny 1st gear, plus 4:10's in the rear, a limited slip, and a v-10, i have
    yet to meet a new england snowstorm that has given me hard time as of yet, and
    we had some good ones! a couple of 2 footers a bunch of 1 footers, last year a
    3 footer + , no problems!


    79 T/A WS6 455 ,Hurst 4 spd, Blk w/ t-tops, Heavily Fortified, 4mpg

    00 Ram 2500HD QC V-10 4x4,Blk,5 spd,4:10 LSD, 10mpg

    98 Intruder 1400, Blk, 5 spd, 25mpg



     
  5. Mike Romain

    Mike Romain Guest

    Jeep Rubicon.

    Mike
    86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
    88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

    Christopher Grenness wrote:
    >
    > I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
    > I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
    > Rover Discovery II.
    > All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
    > impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
    > they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
    > moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
    >
    > What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
    > eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
    > I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
    > 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
    > sure.
    >
    > Can someone point me in the right direction?
    >
    > And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
    > add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
    > best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Christopher
    > Oslo, Norway

     
  6. In article <ffe57d77.0403172319.4a7d03f3@posting.google.com>,
    grenness@my-deja.com says...
    > I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
    > I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
    > Rover Discovery II.
    > All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
    > impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
    > they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
    > moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
    >
    > What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
    > eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
    > I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
    > 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
    > sure.
    >
    > Can someone point me in the right direction?
    >
    > And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
    > add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
    > best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
    >
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Christopher
    > Oslo, Norway
    >


    What you are looking for is any of the ones you already had, but better
    tires and/or chains.
    --
    ____________________
    Remove "X" from email address to reply.
     
  7. Mike Hall

    Mike Hall Guest


    "Christopher Grenness" <grenness@my-deja.com> wrote in message
    news:ffe57d77.0403172319.4a7d03f3@posting.google.com...
    > I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
    > I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
    > Rover Discovery II.
    > All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
    > impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
    > they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
    > moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
    >
    > What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
    > eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
    > I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
    > 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
    > sure.
    >
    > Can someone point me in the right direction?
    >
    > And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
    > add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
    > best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
    >
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Christopher
    > Oslo, Norway


    Try this one.. seven seats at least.. enough room for groceries.. no rework
    required for deep snow.. http://www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats/tucker/


     
  8. Mike Hall

    Mike Hall Guest


    "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
    news:4059B3E6.19CFCD56@sympatico.ca...
    > Jeep Rubicon.
    >
    > Mike
    > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
    > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
    >

    Yo Mike.. this one has to appeal to your wife.. looks like a house.. built
    like a house.. all it needs is a pitched tin roof and bathroom..
    http://www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats/tucker/


     
  9. Erik-Jan Geniets <ej@fotograaf.com> wrote in
    news:405978C7.B96111BF@fotograaf.com:

    >
    >
    > Christopher Grenness wrote:
    >>

    >
    >> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
    >> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
    >> sure.

    >
    > As far as I know this is a part-time 4x4. So, no center diff but a
    > t-case.


    No, that only applies to the first 'utility' generation, which was never sold
    in the USA....;))

    > Those are always locked in 4WD mode. They all also seem to have a
    > factory built in limited slip diff in the rear. Not a locker.


    Yes, lockers, though optional at least in the early years I *think*.

    > Lockers make steering in the snow more or less impossible.


    They make steering difficult on any surface (ranging from center to rear to
    front lock), but deep snow is not the worst of those surfaces....:))


    --
    Bye,

    Willem-Jan Markerink

    The desire to understand
    is sometimes far less intelligent than
    the inability to understand

    <w.j.markerink@a1.nl>
    [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
     
  10. imis_idora

    imis_idora Guest

    grenness@my-deja.com (Christopher Grenness) wrote in message news:<ffe57d77.0403172319.4a7d03f3@posting.google.com>...
    > I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
    >
    > Can someone point me in the right direction?
    >
    > And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
    > add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
    > best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
    >
    >
    > Best regards,
    >
    > Christopher
    > Oslo, Norway


    Something with lockers(may affect handling but 4 tires moving are
    better than two), low range in the transfer case, descent differential
    clearance, and semi agressive tires(the wider the better). You want to
    float on the snow not dig in. Someone mentioned a Jeep Rubicon, a good
    choice if it's sold in Oslo.
    Mike.
     
  11. Master Chief

    Master Chief Guest

    A standard tranny is NOT any better or worse than an automatic in 4WD. This is
    BAD information!

    The Jeep "SELEC-TRAC" is the best way to go in my opinion. It has a FULL TIME
    4WD setting. A good FULL TIME 4WD will help a lot!

    I've seen BFG MUD tires spin in packed snow and ice. What do you expect, its
    ICE!!!

    I learned from this group that the Michelin LTX M/S is about the best tire you
    can get for snow and ice.


    >yes yes and yes, any part time 4wd system can handle deep snow effectively,
    >things that help make it better, number 1 is good aggressive tires, number 2
    >aggressive tires, a standard transmission will outperform an auto tranny in

    4wd
    >situations, its all i will ever drive off road and in the snow, a limited slip
    >rear dif is very important, a powerful motor helps a lot as well, i find a lot
    >of 4cyl and 6cyl 4wd's lack enough power to muscle through deep snow and slush
    >with ease, the 3 vehicles you mentioned are as good as any, but proper setup
    >makes all the difference, my ram is like a bulldozer in the snow, but i have
    >all the good stuff, awesome tires, heavy vehicle(7k lbs), a std tranny with a
    >granny 1st gear, plus 4:10's in the rear, a limited slip, and a v-10, i have
    >yet to meet a new england snowstorm that has given me hard time as of yet, and
    >we had some good ones! a couple of 2 footers a bunch of 1 footers, last year

    a
    >3 footer + , no problems!
    >
    >
    >79 T/A WS6 455 ,Hurst 4 spd, Blk w/ t-tops, Heavily Fortified, 4mpg
    >
    >00 Ram 2500HD QC V-10 4x4,Blk,5 spd,4:10 LSD, 10mpg
    >
    >98 Intruder 1400, Blk, 5 spd, 25mpg
    >
    >
    >


     
  12. Master Chief

    Master Chief Guest

    The Turtle Expedition taught us that LOCKERS are not good for snow conditions!
    They can casue the vehicle to "crab" across the surface of the road or trail.
    The advantage of having selectable lockers is the ability to turn them OFF,
    which is what Gary did to keep his vehicle on the road!

    Floating on snow is good if the snow is DEEP. If you are driving on snow
    covered streets, its best to get down to where the street is. If the snow is
    packed, it will be slippery. This is why they make studded tires. Best thing
    to have for iced roads.

    Is there any ONE magic set-up? Nope! The first question that needs to be
    asked is, "Where and how are you going to operate your vehicle?"



    > Something with lockers(may affect handling but 4 tires moving are
    >better than two), low range in the transfer case, descent differential
    >clearance, and semi agressive tires(the wider the better). You want to
    >float on the snow not dig in. Someone mentioned a Jeep Rubicon, a good
    >choice if it's sold in Oslo.
    >Mike.


     
  13. Roger Brown

    Roger Brown Guest

    Master Chief wrote:
    >
    > The Turtle Expedition taught us that LOCKERS are not good for snow conditions!
    > They can casue the vehicle to "crab" across the surface of the road or trail.
    > The advantage of having selectable lockers is the ability to turn them OFF,
    > which is what Gary did to keep his vehicle on the road!
    >
    > Floating on snow is good if the snow is DEEP. If you are driving on snow
    > covered streets, its best to get down to where the street is. If the snow is
    > packed, it will be slippery. This is why they make studded tires. Best thing
    > to have for iced roads.
    >
    > Is there any ONE magic set-up? Nope! The first question that needs to be
    > asked is, "Where and how are you going to operate your vehicle?"


    I used to run a rear Detroit locker and front TrueTrac (limited slip)
    and found the Detroit was bad in the snow and the TT was good. I found
    in deep snow that the Detroit worked OK as long as you were going
    straight forward, but have to make a turn and it would cause the inside
    wheel to spin and dig in. Also it made it had to change ruts or get out
    of a hole, the rear end would tend to keep following the lowest track on
    the road. The LSD up front was great, though.

    Now I have selectable ARBs on both axles and this is a great combination
    (no center diff, its a gear driven t-case). When needed, both ends
    locked work, like climbing a steep hill in deep snow. But often I find
    locked front, open rear works well. Point the front tires where you
    want to go and the rear end follows. On other occassions, both axles
    unlocked works best. I think flexibility is key, since no one setup
    works all the time. I also like my BFG A/T KOs in the snow, 33x10.50
    seems to be a great combination, not too wide but aired down to 5-10 psi
    and they float quite well over the deep stuff, yet have enough tread and
    siping to grip on hard pack and ice:
    http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CA-4/TR_2001_04_21.shtml

    --
    Roger
     
  14. Mad Dog

    Mad Dog Guest

    A full-time case such as a NP203 spins the front axles
    all the time, that's why they have manual hubs so you
    can disconnect the hubs.
    Vehicles with full-time cases prompted people to install
    part-time kits in their cases attempting to increase fuel mileage but these
    kits usually shortened the life of the transfer case assy.
    Part-time cases such as the NP205 enable you to engage 4wd w/o getting out
    the truck.
    My K10 uses a 12bolt "lincoln-locker" rear axle assy.
    and a Dana44 up front w/a locker and manual hubs.
    The factory 203 was kicked to the curb and promptly replaced w/a 205 donated
    from a '82 K5 and twin-stick from O.R.D.
    It don't snow much here in Florida but we do have our share of Sugar Sand
    and when it rains we got MUD.
    This truck is purpose built for sand & mud,
    Leaving the manual hubs in place requires getting out and
    walking around as well as selecting 4lo on the shifters when i need
    All-Wheel Drive.
    the neat part is i can unlock 1 front wheel and have 3
    wheel drive if needed for a tight, twisty and slippery trail.
    --
    Mad Dog



    "Master Chief" <masterchief516@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:CmoEc.18250$w07.13204@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > A standard tranny is NOT any better or worse than an automatic in 4WD.

    This is
    > BAD information!
    >
    > The Jeep "SELEC-TRAC" is the best way to go in my opinion. It has a FULL

    TIME
    > 4WD setting. A good FULL TIME 4WD will help a lot!
    >
    > I've seen BFG MUD tires spin in packed snow and ice. What do you expect,

    its
    > ICE!!!
    >
    > I learned from this group that the Michelin LTX M/S is about the best tire

    you
    > can get for snow and ice.
    >
    >
    > >yes yes and yes, any part time 4wd system can handle deep snow

    effectively,
    > >things that help make it better, number 1 is good aggressive tires,

    number 2
    > >aggressive tires, a standard transmission will outperform an auto tranny

    in
    > 4wd
    > >situations, its all i will ever drive off road and in the snow, a limited

    slip
    > >rear dif is very important, a powerful motor helps a lot as well, i find

    a lot
    > >of 4cyl and 6cyl 4wd's lack enough power to muscle through deep snow and

    slush
    > >with ease, the 3 vehicles you mentioned are as good as any, but proper

    setup
    > >makes all the difference, my ram is like a bulldozer in the snow, but i

    have
    > >all the good stuff, awesome tires, heavy vehicle(7k lbs), a std tranny

    with a
    > >granny 1st gear, plus 4:10's in the rear, a limited slip, and a v-10, i

    have
    > >yet to meet a new england snowstorm that has given me hard time as of

    yet, and
    > >we had some good ones! a couple of 2 footers a bunch of 1 footers, last

    year
    > a
    > >3 footer + , no problems!
    > >
    > >
    > >79 T/A WS6 455 ,Hurst 4 spd, Blk w/ t-tops, Heavily Fortified, 4mpg
    > >
    > >00 Ram 2500HD QC V-10 4x4,Blk,5 spd,4:10 LSD, 10mpg
    > >
    > >98 Intruder 1400, Blk, 5 spd, 25mpg
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >



     
  15. May I ask:

    WTF is a Lincoln Locker?

    Thank you,

    Refinish King


    "Mad Dog" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:2kp4ndF4nkcrU1@uni-berlin.de...
    > A full-time case such as a NP203 spins the front axles
    > all the time, that's why they have manual hubs so you
    > can disconnect the hubs.
    > Vehicles with full-time cases prompted people to install
    > part-time kits in their cases attempting to increase fuel mileage but

    these
    > kits usually shortened the life of the transfer case assy.
    > Part-time cases such as the NP205 enable you to engage 4wd w/o getting out
    > the truck.
    > My K10 uses a 12bolt "lincoln-locker" rear axle assy.
    > and a Dana44 up front w/a locker and manual hubs.
    > The factory 203 was kicked to the curb and promptly replaced w/a 205

    donated
    > from a '82 K5 and twin-stick from O.R.D.
    > It don't snow much here in Florida but we do have our share of Sugar Sand
    > and when it rains we got MUD.
    > This truck is purpose built for sand & mud,
    > Leaving the manual hubs in place requires getting out and
    > walking around as well as selecting 4lo on the shifters when i need
    > All-Wheel Drive.
    > the neat part is i can unlock 1 front wheel and have 3
    > wheel drive if needed for a tight, twisty and slippery trail.
    > --
    > Mad Dog
    >
    >
    >
    > "Master Chief" <masterchief516@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:CmoEc.18250$w07.13204@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > A standard tranny is NOT any better or worse than an automatic in 4WD.

    > This is
    > > BAD information!
    > >
    > > The Jeep "SELEC-TRAC" is the best way to go in my opinion. It has a

    FULL
    > TIME
    > > 4WD setting. A good FULL TIME 4WD will help a lot!
    > >
    > > I've seen BFG MUD tires spin in packed snow and ice. What do you

    expect,
    > its
    > > ICE!!!
    > >
    > > I learned from this group that the Michelin LTX M/S is about the best

    tire
    > you
    > > can get for snow and ice.
    > >
    > >
    > > >yes yes and yes, any part time 4wd system can handle deep snow

    > effectively,
    > > >things that help make it better, number 1 is good aggressive tires,

    > number 2
    > > >aggressive tires, a standard transmission will outperform an auto

    tranny
    > in
    > > 4wd
    > > >situations, its all i will ever drive off road and in the snow, a

    limited
    > slip
    > > >rear dif is very important, a powerful motor helps a lot as well, i

    find
    > a lot
    > > >of 4cyl and 6cyl 4wd's lack enough power to muscle through deep snow

    and
    > slush
    > > >with ease, the 3 vehicles you mentioned are as good as any, but proper

    > setup
    > > >makes all the difference, my ram is like a bulldozer in the snow, but i

    > have
    > > >all the good stuff, awesome tires, heavy vehicle(7k lbs), a std tranny

    > with a
    > > >granny 1st gear, plus 4:10's in the rear, a limited slip, and a v-10, i

    > have
    > > >yet to meet a new england snowstorm that has given me hard time as of

    > yet, and
    > > >we had some good ones! a couple of 2 footers a bunch of 1 footers,

    last
    > year
    > > a
    > > >3 footer + , no problems!
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >79 T/A WS6 455 ,Hurst 4 spd, Blk w/ t-tops, Heavily Fortified, 4mpg
    > > >
    > > >00 Ram 2500HD QC V-10 4x4,Blk,5 spd,4:10 LSD, 10mpg
    > > >
    > > >98 Intruder 1400, Blk, 5 spd, 25mpg
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >

    >
    >




     
  16. Mad Dog

    Mad Dog Guest

    stick-welded spider gears to axle gears..........
    same effect as a spool, completely locks both axles together all the time.
    Full posi.

    --



    "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
    news:CtKFc.2825$PO3.2557@fe39.usenetserver.com...
    > May I ask:
    >
    > WTF is a Lincoln Locker?
    >
    > Thank you,
    >
    > Refinish King
    >
    >
    > "Mad Dog" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    > news:2kp4ndF4nkcrU1@uni-berlin.de...
    > > A full-time case such as a NP203 spins the front axles
    > > all the time, that's why they have manual hubs so you
    > > can disconnect the hubs.
    > > Vehicles with full-time cases prompted people to install
    > > part-time kits in their cases attempting to increase fuel mileage but

    > these
    > > kits usually shortened the life of the transfer case assy.
    > > Part-time cases such as the NP205 enable you to engage 4wd w/o getting

    out
    > > the truck.
    > > My K10 uses a 12bolt "lincoln-locker" rear axle assy.
    > > and a Dana44 up front w/a locker and manual hubs.
    > > The factory 203 was kicked to the curb and promptly replaced w/a 205

    > donated
    > > from a '82 K5 and twin-stick from O.R.D.
    > > It don't snow much here in Florida but we do have our share of Sugar

    Sand
    > > and when it rains we got MUD.
    > > This truck is purpose built for sand & mud,
    > > Leaving the manual hubs in place requires getting out and
    > > walking around as well as selecting 4lo on the shifters when i need
    > > All-Wheel Drive.
    > > the neat part is i can unlock 1 front wheel and have 3
    > > wheel drive if needed for a tight, twisty and slippery trail.
    > > --
    > > Mad Dog
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Master Chief" <masterchief516@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:CmoEc.18250$w07.13204@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > A standard tranny is NOT any better or worse than an automatic in 4WD.

    > > This is
    > > > BAD information!
    > > >
    > > > The Jeep "SELEC-TRAC" is the best way to go in my opinion. It has a

    > FULL
    > > TIME
    > > > 4WD setting. A good FULL TIME 4WD will help a lot!
    > > >
    > > > I've seen BFG MUD tires spin in packed snow and ice. What do you

    > expect,
    > > its
    > > > ICE!!!
    > > >
    > > > I learned from this group that the Michelin LTX M/S is about the best

    > tire
    > > you
    > > > can get for snow and ice.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > >yes yes and yes, any part time 4wd system can handle deep snow

    > > effectively,
    > > > >things that help make it better, number 1 is good aggressive tires,

    > > number 2
    > > > >aggressive tires, a standard transmission will outperform an auto

    > tranny
    > > in
    > > > 4wd
    > > > >situations, its all i will ever drive off road and in the snow, a

    > limited
    > > slip
    > > > >rear dif is very important, a powerful motor helps a lot as well, i

    > find
    > > a lot
    > > > >of 4cyl and 6cyl 4wd's lack enough power to muscle through deep snow

    > and
    > > slush
    > > > >with ease, the 3 vehicles you mentioned are as good as any, but

    proper
    > > setup
    > > > >makes all the difference, my ram is like a bulldozer in the snow, but

    i
    > > have
    > > > >all the good stuff, awesome tires, heavy vehicle(7k lbs), a std

    tranny
    > > with a
    > > > >granny 1st gear, plus 4:10's in the rear, a limited slip, and a v-10,

    i
    > > have
    > > > >yet to meet a new england snowstorm that has given me hard time as of

    > > yet, and
    > > > >we had some good ones! a couple of 2 footers a bunch of 1 footers,

    > last
    > > year
    > > > a
    > > > >3 footer + , no problems!
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >79 T/A WS6 455 ,Hurst 4 spd, Blk w/ t-tops, Heavily Fortified, 4mpg
    > > > >
    > > > >00 Ram 2500HD QC V-10 4x4,Blk,5 spd,4:10 LSD, 10mpg
    > > > >
    > > > >98 Intruder 1400, Blk, 5 spd, 25mpg
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >



     
  17. Roger Brown

    Roger Brown Guest

    Mad Dog wrote:
    >
    > stick-welded spider gears to axle gears..........
    > same effect as a spool, completely locks both axles together all the time.
    > Full posi.
    >
    > --
    >
    > "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
    > news:CtKFc.2825$PO3.2557@fe39.usenetserver.com...
    > > May I ask:
    > >
    > > WTF is a Lincoln Locker?


    Lincoln is a mfg. of welding machines:
    http://www.lincolnelectric.com/
    So the term "Lincoln Locker" was coined for the welded spider gear
    approach to turning an open differential into a spool. Its not really a
    locker (which implies something that both locks and unlocks the
    differential, either manually or automatically).

    --
    Roger
     
  18. Thanks!

    Now I understand "Lincoln" locker!

    LOL

    Refinish King


    "Mad Dog" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:2kquk6F587unU1@uni-berlin.de...
    > stick-welded spider gears to axle gears..........
    > same effect as a spool, completely locks both axles together all the time.
    > Full posi.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    >
    > "Refinish King" <noneofyourbusiness@mindyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
    > news:CtKFc.2825$PO3.2557@fe39.usenetserver.com...
    > > May I ask:
    > >
    > > WTF is a Lincoln Locker?
    > >
    > > Thank you,
    > >
    > > Refinish King
    > >
    > >
    > > "Mad Dog" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    > > news:2kp4ndF4nkcrU1@uni-berlin.de...
    > > > A full-time case such as a NP203 spins the front axles
    > > > all the time, that's why they have manual hubs so you
    > > > can disconnect the hubs.
    > > > Vehicles with full-time cases prompted people to install
    > > > part-time kits in their cases attempting to increase fuel mileage but

    > > these
    > > > kits usually shortened the life of the transfer case assy.
    > > > Part-time cases such as the NP205 enable you to engage 4wd w/o getting

    > out
    > > > the truck.
    > > > My K10 uses a 12bolt "lincoln-locker" rear axle assy.
    > > > and a Dana44 up front w/a locker and manual hubs.
    > > > The factory 203 was kicked to the curb and promptly replaced w/a 205

    > > donated
    > > > from a '82 K5 and twin-stick from O.R.D.
    > > > It don't snow much here in Florida but we do have our share of Sugar

    > Sand
    > > > and when it rains we got MUD.
    > > > This truck is purpose built for sand & mud,
    > > > Leaving the manual hubs in place requires getting out and
    > > > walking around as well as selecting 4lo on the shifters when i need
    > > > All-Wheel Drive.
    > > > the neat part is i can unlock 1 front wheel and have 3
    > > > wheel drive if needed for a tight, twisty and slippery trail.
    > > > --
    > > > Mad Dog
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Master Chief" <masterchief516@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:CmoEc.18250$w07.13204@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > > > > A standard tranny is NOT any better or worse than an automatic in

    4WD.
    > > > This is
    > > > > BAD information!
    > > > >
    > > > > The Jeep "SELEC-TRAC" is the best way to go in my opinion. It has a

    > > FULL
    > > > TIME
    > > > > 4WD setting. A good FULL TIME 4WD will help a lot!
    > > > >
    > > > > I've seen BFG MUD tires spin in packed snow and ice. What do you

    > > expect,
    > > > its
    > > > > ICE!!!
    > > > >
    > > > > I learned from this group that the Michelin LTX M/S is about the

    best
    > > tire
    > > > you
    > > > > can get for snow and ice.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > >yes yes and yes, any part time 4wd system can handle deep snow
    > > > effectively,
    > > > > >things that help make it better, number 1 is good aggressive tires,
    > > > number 2
    > > > > >aggressive tires, a standard transmission will outperform an auto

    > > tranny
    > > > in
    > > > > 4wd
    > > > > >situations, its all i will ever drive off road and in the snow, a

    > > limited
    > > > slip
    > > > > >rear dif is very important, a powerful motor helps a lot as well, i

    > > find
    > > > a lot
    > > > > >of 4cyl and 6cyl 4wd's lack enough power to muscle through deep

    snow
    > > and
    > > > slush
    > > > > >with ease, the 3 vehicles you mentioned are as good as any, but

    > proper
    > > > setup
    > > > > >makes all the difference, my ram is like a bulldozer in the snow,

    but
    > i
    > > > have
    > > > > >all the good stuff, awesome tires, heavy vehicle(7k lbs), a std

    > tranny
    > > > with a
    > > > > >granny 1st gear, plus 4:10's in the rear, a limited slip, and a

    v-10,
    > i
    > > > have
    > > > > >yet to meet a new england snowstorm that has given me hard time as

    of
    > > > yet, and
    > > > > >we had some good ones! a couple of 2 footers a bunch of 1 footers,

    > > last
    > > > year
    > > > > a
    > > > > >3 footer + , no problems!
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >79 T/A WS6 455 ,Hurst 4 spd, Blk w/ t-tops, Heavily Fortified, 4mpg
    > > > > >
    > > > > >00 Ram 2500HD QC V-10 4x4,Blk,5 spd,4:10 LSD, 10mpg
    > > > > >
    > > > > >98 Intruder 1400, Blk, 5 spd, 25mpg
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >

    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >