Stephen Hull - PAINT GOD!

Decided that my tired old (once) Sankey could do with a bit of a
makeover. Ordered (yes, I know) some custom made machine enamel from
Stokes in Sheffield - Light Brunswick Green - on the swatch it looked
fine, when opened, looked far, far too bright. On Painting Pointers
the colour swatch was perfectly matching what I got (dunno if tis due
to this monitor being properly calibrated...).

Wondered why... Realised that when I went into Stokes in a bit of a
hurry...

.... I had my sunglasses on (yes, yes, yes...)

Anyway, poured a couple of L off, mixed in some purple and some black
and actually have a reasonable Middle Brunswick Green

Then spent far, far too much time nebbing around the rest of the site
- which I haven't done for some many a month - still absolutely superb
and a true credit to author. Thanks Stephen!

http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/




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In message <[email protected]>
Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

>Decided that my tired old (once) Sankey could do with a bit of a
>makeover. Ordered (yes, I know) some custom made machine enamel from
>Stokes in Sheffield - Light Brunswick Green - on the swatch it looked
>fine, when opened, looked far, far too bright. On Painting Pointers
>the colour swatch was perfectly matching what I got (dunno if tis due
>to this monitor being properly calibrated...).
>
>Wondered why... Realised that when I went into Stokes in a bit of a
>hurry...
>
>... I had my sunglasses on (yes, yes, yes...)
>
>Anyway, poured a couple of L off, mixed in some purple and some black
>and actually have a reasonable Middle Brunswick Green
>
>Then spent far, far too much time nebbing around the rest of the site
>- which I haven't done for some many a month - still absolutely superb
>and a true credit to author. Thanks Stephen!
>
>http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/
>
>
>
>
>--
>Coming quite soon:
>http://www.ulrc.net

Hi Mother!

Its been a little while since I've been on afl, busy building my
Landy, anyway glad to be of service Mother, I just hope my info was
correct although it is almost impossible to show true colours on the
internet.

I had some Mid Brunswick Green left over from a job which I sent to
Canada on a painted place mat so the owner could identify the colour of
a Lister engine. I also sent a sample BS-381c colour chart to Canada to
help identify a David Brown tractor colour.

I might be persuaded to purchase more colour charts in bulk from a
favourable paint manufacturer showing RAL and BS-381c colours but I'd
have to sell them, this is the only way I can see to provide absolute
accurate colours.

Unfortunately I don't have a range of Land Rover colours which would be
far more useful.

I have recently evaluated a new type of coach paint for a paint supplier
and I have acquired some reducer to slow the drying process down but I've
not yet had a chance to use the reducer but when I have I'll report my
finding on my website in due course.
I'll have some new s2a photo's soon up upload.

Many thanks for your comments Mother, appreciated,



Regards,

Steve.


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On or around Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:36:01 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Unfortunately I don't have a range of Land Rover colours which would be
>far more useful.
>
>I have recently evaluated a new type of coach paint for a paint supplier
>and I have acquired some reducer to slow the drying process down but I've
>not yet had a chance to use the reducer but when I have I'll report my
>finding on my website in due course.
>I'll have some new s2a photo's soon up upload.

you got anywhere to get a nice dark purple to paint bits of Edward II?
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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:36:01 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Unfortunately I don't have a range of Land Rover colours which would be
>>far more useful.
>>
>>I have recently evaluated a new type of coach paint for a paint supplier
>>and I have acquired some reducer to slow the drying process down but I've
>>not yet had a chance to use the reducer but when I have I'll report my
>>finding on my website in due course.
>>I'll have some new s2a photo's soon up upload.
>
>you got anywhere to get a nice dark purple to paint bits of Edward II?

You've lost me here, I must be having a dim day

Regards,

Steve.


--
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Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus.
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce

On or around Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:36:01 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
>>enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>Unfortunately I don't have a range of Land Rover colours which would be
>>>far more useful.
>>>
>>>I have recently evaluated a new type of coach paint for a paint supplier
>>>and I have acquired some reducer to slow the drying process down but I've
>>>not yet had a chance to use the reducer but when I have I'll report my
>>>finding on my website in due course.
>>>I'll have some new s2a photo's soon up upload.
>>
>>you got anywhere to get a nice dark purple to paint bits of Edward II?
>
>You've lost me here, I must be having a dim day

Edward II is my series III, which is painted in a fetching shade of dark
purple, which the previous owner invented by mixing red and blue. He's
Edward 'cos the registration is EWD and II 'cos years ago we had in the
family another EWD which was called Edward.

the odd bit was the numbers: the original Edward was EWD226K, and Edward II
is EWD266K.

so sometime I've got to try and sort some paint, if only to paint the top
tailgate to match.

been contemplating about colour matching on the pooter. One of the things
about PCs is monitor brightness and contrast - I've seen monitor setup
things which have a set of greyscales, and you adjust the settings 'til you
can see all of them, not have the black and nearly-black or the white and
nearly-white merging into eachother. doesn't do much about colour cast,
although you can specify a colour temperature setting. currently running
7200K here, for example. The monitor has eveything from 4000 to 10000...

I daresay you've already done all this, mind.
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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

[snip]

>>>you got anywhere to get a nice dark purple to paint bits of Edward II?
>>
>>You've lost me here, I must be having a dim day
>
>Edward II is my series III, which is painted in a fetching shade of dark
>purple, which the previous owner invented by mixing red and blue. He's
>Edward 'cos the registration is EWD and II 'cos years ago we had in the
>family another EWD which was called Edward.

I didn't know that, I'm now enlightened

>the odd bit was the numbers: the original Edward was EWD226K, and Edward II
>is EWD266K.

Weird indeed,

>so sometime I've got to try and sort some paint, if only to paint the top
>tailgate to match.

Many paint factors now have modern scanning equipment to match colours,
they are very accurate and of course have the necessary paint codes.

>been contemplating about colour matching on the pooter. One of the things
>about PCs is monitor brightness and contrast - I've seen monitor setup
>things which have a set of greyscales, and you adjust the settings 'til you
>can see all of them, not have the black and nearly-black or the white and
>nearly-white merging into eachother. doesn't do much about colour cast,
>although you can specify a colour temperature setting. currently running
>7200K here, for example. The monitor has eveything from 4000 to 10000...

I've not found the computer helpful in this area, I could get the
colour spot-on by tweaking it but the shade would not be the same on
another monitor.

>I daresay you've already done all this, mind.

I've done a fair bit of colour dabbling,

Regards,

Steve.


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Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus.
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce

In article <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> writes
>been contemplating about colour matching on the pooter. One of the things
>about PCs is monitor brightness and contrast - I've seen monitor setup
>things which have a set of greyscales, and you adjust the settings 'til you
>can see all of them, not have the black and nearly-black or the white and
>nearly-white merging into eachother. doesn't do much about colour cast,
>although you can specify a colour temperature setting. currently running
>7200K here, for example. The monitor has eveything from 4000 to 10000...

The biggest problem is that monitors are colour addition whereas paint
and printing are mostly* colour subtraction. The colourimetry isn't the
same, and can't easily be made to match (RGB can't map perfectly to
CMYK, and IIRC, paint matching is CMY plus 'spot' pigments usually). You
can calibrate most monitors pretty well for general use, but you find
out how tricky the addition-subtraction issue is when doing anything
intended for print.

I've got Pantone matching as part of the Corel 12 suite and just
acquired an aged Pantone swatch book (thank you Freecycle!). Roundtuits
permitting, I'll be calibrating my Postscript colour printer, but I'm
not expecting to get everything to match - it'll be a compromise.

It's affecting broadcasting in a big way now. There's been a thread
running in another group along the lines of 'how the heck are we gonna
match cameras when they finally stop making cathode ray tubes?'. They
have a point: LCD/plasma etc. generally have very lumpy colour curves
and many can't do true blacks, which is why you never see them in shops
with greyscales on them! They're very convenient for outside broadcast
use as they can be extremely compact, but they're useless for colour
matching (there's even considerable batch variation amongst production
of single models).

I think Stephen's right - swatches are the only dead-cert way to do it.

Regards,

Simonm.

*some fluorescent and semi-luminous paints do actually emit in certain parts of
the spectrum, and thus can't ever be photographed or videoed accurately.
Likewise some flowers absorb UV and emit in the visible or deep violet, and are
equally hard to photograph.

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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:43:47 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig wrote:

> It's affecting broadcasting in a big way now. There's been a thread
> running in another group along the lines of 'how the heck are we gonna
> match cameras when they finally stop making cathode ray tubes?'.

With the sound department shouting from the other end of the truck "How
the heck are we supposed check sync with a several frame delay in the
picture monitor?"

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Stephen Hull said:

In message <[email protected]>
Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

>Decided that my tired old (once) Sankey could do with a bit of a
>makeover. Ordered (yes, I know) some custom made machine enamel from
>Stokes in Sheffield - Light Brunswick Green - on the swatch it looked
>fine, when opened, looked far, far too bright. On Painting Pointers
>the colour swatch was perfectly matching what I got (dunno if tis due
>to this monitor being properly calibrated...).
>
>Wondered why... Realised that when I went into Stokes in a bit of a
>hurry...
>
>... I had my sunglasses on (yes, yes, yes...)
>
>Anyway, poured a couple of L off, mixed in some purple and some black
>and actually have a reasonable Middle Brunswick Green
>
>Then spent far, far too much time nebbing around the rest of the site
>- which I haven't done for some many a month - still absolutely superb
>and a true credit to author. Thanks Stephen!
>
>http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/
>
>
>
>
>--
>Coming quite soon:
>http://www.ulrc.net

Hi Mother!

Its been a little while since I've been on afl, busy building my
Landy, anyway glad to be of service Mother, I just hope my info was
correct although it is almost impossible to show true colours on the
internet.

I had some Mid Brunswick Green left over from a job which I sent to
Canada on a painted place mat so the owner could identify the colour of
a Lister engine. I also sent a sample BS-381c colour chart to Canada to
help identify a David Brown tractor colour.

I might be persuaded to purchase more colour charts in bulk from a
favourable paint manufacturer showing RAL and BS-381c colours but I'd
have to sell them, this is the only way I can see to provide absolute
accurate colours.

Unfortunately I don't have a range of Land Rover colours which would be
far more useful.

I have recently evaluated a new type of coach paint for a paint supplier
and I have acquired some reducer to slow the drying process down but I've
not yet had a chance to use the reducer but when I have I'll report my
finding on my website in due course.
I'll have some new s2a photo's soon up upload.

Many thanks for your comments Mother, appreciated,



Regards,

Steve.


--
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk
Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes
Using a British RISC Operating System 100% immune to any Windows virus.
"Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce

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What happened to this website? It would have been very useful for my restoration