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Ratty's Poll - Security devices.

Discussion in 'General Land Rover Forum' started by 90TD5, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. 90TD5

    90TD5 New Member

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    Hi all,

    Just to go back to the sticky topic that ratty started regarding security devices. Unfortunately it seemed to go off topic and withdrawing some tangible data from it is difficult. To redress the question...

    Who can confirm if Land Rovers are being successfully stolen with a Clutch Claw and/or Stoplock/Disklock and/or GPS tracker????????


    I read so much about peoples Land Rovers being stolen and I can't really coin whether they had any security on or not. Initially they are expensive yes and may act only as a deterrent but surely you would do anything you can to save the heartache afterwards?!?

    If we can please not go off topic on this thread - I think some useful information can be gained here - Hopefully just to give people a nudge so that they wake up and realise their car is sought after!!

    (Reposted this here as Stolen Section I guess gets less hits. Post is hoped to be for the good of all!!)

    S
     
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  2. Grit Valve

    Grit Valve 2000 4.6 Vouge

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    Clutch claw ll is supposed to be good
     
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    Ryder Having a senior moment

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    Truth is that if they want it badly enough they will get it - all we can do is inconvenience them
     
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    Grit Valve 2000 4.6 Vouge

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    Yes, but the pedal one is good.
     
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    Just asking

    how dose the pedle box lock stop any one rolling it down the steet
     
  8. 90TD5

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    But to answer the question posted... :doh:

    S
     
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    Spunka New Member

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    Did you want one line answers or answers in the discussion
     
  10. 90TD5

    90TD5 New Member

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    Anything really.

    Perfect answer would be:- 'Yes. Friend had a clutch claw and a Disklock and they loped both off, threw the tracker out of the window and stole the car'!!

    Obviously that's not a perfect answer!!! I just want to know if any have actually been stolen with that stuff fitted???

    Cheers,

    S
     
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    Well, my Defender was broken into a couple of nights ago, and it wasn't stolen, so maybe that had something to do with the Disklok it was wearing at the time. They nicked my toolbox though. Some of those spanners I've had since I was a child. I have an appointment booked to get a full Thatcham cat 1 system fitted now. Plus a tracker next month when I get paid.
     
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    I just posted this on another LR forum where 90TD5 had asked a similar question...

     
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    Ryder Having a senior moment

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    I can.

    Vehicles are being stolen with any and all of these measures fitted. However... vehicles with these fitted are being stolen in smaller numbers than those with nothing fitted.... clear?
     
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    Yep. Thanks all for contributing. Appreciate it.

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    guys, has anyone on here got or thought about some kind of hidden fuel cut-off? or is that a ****e idea? anyone know how easy it would be to do?
     
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    The Mad Hat Man Well-Known Member LZIR Despatch Agent

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    **** easy - look on fleabay
     
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    It wouldn't stop them nicking it, but at least you would be abe to find it 1 mile down the road(I assume there would still be some fuel that would allow it to start and run for a short while)
     
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    Fuel cutoff is easy to do and can be achieved in one of two ways. an electric fuel pump may have the life feed to the fuel pump interrupted by a relay and then activated by either a switch inside the vehicle or by linking it to a tracking device and activating it via text message or web site, dpending on the facilities offered by your chosen supplier.

    The second method is a little different, and really applies to any vehicle with a mechanical fuel pump. You can use a specialist valve called a murphy valve. This valve is open as long as it has 12 volts applied to it. In this case you would rig the relay to deny power to the valve once triggered, the valve will close and no fuel delivered.

    Be advised that the power supply to the murphy valve must be sourced from a permanent live... ie direct from the battery... since the ignition system usually denies power to all other systems while craking the engine... meaning that the valve would be shut when you are trying to start the vehicle unless the power comes directly from the battery.
     
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    Ryder Having a senior moment

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    I am sorry, you are mistaken. Once the pump is deactivated or the valve disengaged, the fuel will immediately stop flowing to the engine. This is due to the vacuum effect in the pipe. With no air or fuel to fill the empty space, the fuel can not be removed from the pipe... the engine would turn over... maybe fire for two or three seconds and then falter and die.
     
  20. ratty

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    Having had one landy nicked, one written off after an attempted theft and my current one attacked numerous times my personal feeling is that the more security in use, the better.

    Having removed many steering locks, ignition locks and bypassing many immobilisers at the roadside I know which ones I struggle with most. I can also load most vehicles onto spec lifts, beaver tails, slide backs and hiabs regardless of whether they have steering locked, hand brakes on, are in gear or even have wheel clamps fitted.

    My advice that i have posted on this forum for securing and slowing down landy thrives is based entirely on what would make life harder for me.