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R380 gearbox oil.... Morris Lodexol FR-X

Discussion in 'General Land Rover Forum' started by Gottschalk, Mar 26, 2020.

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  1. Gottschalk

    Gottschalk Well-Known Member

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    Hi All!

    My 90 has done 135k ish and when I first bought it (5 years ago) I had terrible trouble changing from 1st to 2nd, and under hard acceleration from 3rd to 4th.
    The problem as we all know is fairly worn syncro's. Anyway, I changed the oil as soon as I got it home and put atf fluid in, as advised by Ashcroft. This was better than before, and I ran it like this for the next three services, changing at about 8k.
    With adapting my driving style to that of the needs of a 21 year old Landy, with relatively unknown service history, gear changes improved, but I still found the 3rd to 4th, with a trailer, under full load getting up to traffic speed, the change would still 'catch' and not snick in smoothly, to the point were Id regularly double de-clutch as this helped immensely, and the next service I used the MTF, to no avail, thoughts of a g/box rebuild quickly swamped my everyday thoughts!! :)
    I thought I'd try something different on my last change, and my local garage that does the Landy's mot's recommended Morris's Lodexol FR-X.

    WOW! Amazing! Honestly, our VW passat doesn't have as nice a gear change as the 90 now, I can literally change gear using my little finger on the gearstick, it is quite honestly unbelievable!! I'll be using this from now on! I hope anyone reading this that are having the same (very common with older g/boxes) issues tries this oil! Reasonably priced, locally made! Just thought I'd share! :)
     
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    Good to know, thanks.
     
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    Wonder if it would improve the lt77?
    I used that difflock evolution stuff many years ago, very expensive, big improvement but leaks made it too expensive for topping up.
    How much does it cost @Gottschalk
     
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    According to Morris' website FR-X is an EP 75W-90 oil.
    The R380 is recommended ATF or MTF.
    I have doubts about the suitability of an EP in a gearbox requiring ATF/MTF due to the viscosity of the EP. Based on a replacement 5 speed Ford box on a Mk 2 Granada 2.8i which the customer filled with EP - not the ATF recommended by Ford. Gearbox grenaded on the motorway in under 10k miles. Warranty refused due to incorrect lubricant.
    As ever, I stand to be corrected!
     
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    I would think that is much too thick for an R380.

    James knows this stuff inside out. @jamesmartin ?
     
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    I don't think it is an EP oil mate. All I can say is the Landy garage are specialists, and deal with them ever single day, when I asked about oils he said this is what we're putting in td5's these days... All I can say is the improvement is unbelievable, I'll check up on the EP side of things...
     
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    I'm not sure sorry Flos, I haven't been billed for it, I expect around the £25 mark
     
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    It is the viscosity that surprises me, ATF is pretty thin stuff.
    Have you been for any long high speed runs since you put this in the box?
     
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    I looked it up on their website before posting.
    https://www.morrislubricants.co.uk/products/auto/gear-transmission-oils.html
    2nd row.
     
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    You're right, the stuff I put in says 75-80! And it does actually say "EP protection"!

    I'll post a pic up of the container... Be interested to see what James thinks, I honestly think it feels fantastic with it in, I'd say its a revelation, I do hope it's OK.
     
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    I know what your saying, atf felt better than mtf in winter, as it was thinner, this being thicker I would expect it to be worse than mtf, but it just feels silky smooth! And I only really go up to 50-55pmh, I've done about 300-400 miles with it in!
     
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    Here's the controversial bugger I put in! :)
     
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    The usual issue that arises with oil in a gearbox that is thicker than the recommended oil is that the gearbox gets very hot, because the gears are trying to stir a thick oil. Can even get so hot as to result in the box seizing up. Obviously, it tends to happen when higher speeds are maintained for a period of time, as on a motorway.

    I had never even heard of the stuff. Wait and see what James reckons.
     
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    At the same time they supplied me with the usual Morris EP 80w-90 for diffs and transfer, so they definitely meant it for the main box! I await abuse.... :D
     
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    I've heard of an overlanding 2a that had banana skins mushed and crushed up in its gearbox as a get-to-the-next town type thing.... :D
     
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    Wow!
    Engine will start quicker too!:D
     
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    I had a look at the online sales section of the website too.
    That bottle is £13.16 inc. of VAT! :eek:
     
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    What's wrong with that? There you go @Flossie cheap!! :D
     
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    A 2a gearbox is designed for 90 weight oil.
     
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    I know, love the smell

    Edit: to say, you mean NOT banana's???? Who knew????? :D:D
     
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