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hiya put a deposit on a 1996 2.5dse today,car looks clean,air suspension works the way it should,climate control is ok,coolant fine,does,nt overheat,all electrics are fine,smooth gearbox,even the drivers seat looks new,the only things i can see wrong is the heater plugs only stay on for 2 secs i believe it should be about 8 secs,and it has the dreaded hot start problem but both these problems the seller has parts for and will replace before i recieve vehicle.also there is a crack in the left corner of the windscreen,mot is up end of jan:eek:and there is no service history.but all in all a decent motor and for £1500 with a set of 19"rr sport alloys with new tyres thrown in i just had to take the chance and put a deposit down.what do you reckon guys does it sound too good to be true,have i been had-i,ll let you know sunday when it turns up.cheers
 
Sounds cheap

a 1996 DSE for that sort of money dependant on mileage

as long as they had log book etc, you checked vin no etc

and gave it a thourgh testing

Good luck hope it turns out right for you

Manual or auto??

MOT wise they are fairly solid and rust free, is it on air or coils?
Post some pics if you want some input am certain others will be along soon to give their opinion
 
"Has the parts to cure the hot start fault " you say? You do realise that is a injection pump? And not a kit off Ebay. These are a work around and not a fix.Avoid it, unless it has a new pump fitted.
 
I'd say at that price you'll be ok. If you're buying it off a professional then its covered by some sort of seller liability / warranty thing by law I think which'll give you a couple of weeks to spot any major issues. Other than that, its cheap enough to spend a few bob fixing it and still not be too badly out of budget range for the car that it is. Good Luck and enjoy!
 
I have now thought about this and feel I have been a little harsh. I have seen the consequences of the hot start fix first hand and its not pretty. If they do fit a kit, make sure it uses a timed relay not a fixed one. The fixed one will melt your pistons.

At £1500 its cheap enough to spend a bit on repairs so enjoy...
 
rewmer said:
I have now thought about this and feel I have been a little harsh. I have seen the consequences of the hot start fix first hand and its not pretty. If they do fit a kit, make sure it uses a timed relay not a fixed one. The fixed one will melt your pistons.

At £1500 its cheap enough to spend a bit on repairs so enjoy...
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Ha, Ha, I was going to comment on you being a bit harsh earlier Rewmer. As the proud owner of an unfitted 'Hot start fix' for a few months now but an otherwise healthy enough DSE I didn't quite agree with your ealier post.

But good advice on checking to make sure that the 'fix' - which you've correctly pointed out is not a fix but a symptom cure - is the timed variety.
I didn't fit it after getting it as mine was behaving much better after fitting a new starter and I wanted to go back over my research as I knew there was an issue with it but couldn't remember if the timer solved it completely.
 
I fitted the dreaded ''hot start fix'' you guys are chatting about over 3yrs ago and am still running sweet with it, however as you have stated mine is a timed kit, wouldnt touch any of the others as it does more harm than good, especially to ya pocket cos the brain constantly thinks the engine is cold and ups the fuel to the pump !!!

Rob.
 
I don't think its the fuel that is the problem, it's the timing advance included in the cold fuel map. This causes excessive heat hence Rewmers melted pistons.

IIRC what hasn't been assessed is what difference the added resistence of the relay brings to the equation i.e. even when the 'cold' resistor is switched out there is an added resistence in the relay so the ECU is permanently getting an altered temp signal, I just don't know what that is and what effect does it have on the fuel map and hence exhaust gas temperature.
 
SpudH said:
I don't think its the fuel that is the problem, it's the timing advance included in the cold fuel map. This causes excessive heat hence Rewmers melted pistons.

IIRC what hasn't been assessed is what difference the added resistence of the relay brings to the equation i.e. even when the 'cold' resistor is switched out there is an added resistence in the relay so the ECU is permanently getting an altered temp signal, I just don't know what that is and what effect does it have on the fuel map and hence exhaust gas temperature.
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Totally agree with the advanced timing problem resulting in excessive heat etc, just mentioned the fuel as it is a noticable difference and hurts the pocket daily !!

As for added resistance caused by the relay, not sure it has any ill effects, as i said, mines been fitted over 3yrs and no problems yet, have covered almost 70k without anything cropping up, perhaps i just been lucky but i doubt it, not in my nature for things to go right lol
 
thanks for the replies lads,much appreciated even if some of your comments were a bit harsh:panyway i,ve just had a quote of £205 for fully comp so i,m all sorted apart from the crack in the windscreen.but i,ve come to the conclusion f**k the hot start,f**k the cracked windscreen just to have that rr sitting on my drive with me in that settee like seat is enough to put a smile on my face whether its a runner or not.
 
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