Freelander 1 L-Series running fault. Now with specific quandary!

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JayW

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I appreciate there are a lot of threads about starting and running issues for the L-series, I've exhausted them all, I really have! Hence, I appreciate any help anyone can offer!!!

The car is a '98 Freelander TDI L-series. It belongs to a friend. When he started having trouble starting it he gave it to a local garage and after 6 weeks they eventually gave it back, having done very little but giving him a £300 bill (and no explanation of work done) for the pleasure!

The problem:

The Car is and has been invariably difficult to start. So much so that it cannot be relied upon to start at all! When you do get it running it blows out white smoke (unburnt derv) at low revs and is lumpy as hell. Once you get the revs up to 2k+ it's perfectly fine and just as it should be. The Rev counter doesn't register at all until above that 2k-ish and then it's fine. I believe these issues are clearly linked.

Once revving, if you take your foot off it will die when the revs drop. However, if you let it down gently it will fall to (a rough) Idle.

When I checked it when if first came back from the garage I noted that the crank sensor had been replaced with new and no1 injector (the one with the PIP sensor) had been swapped out for a 2nd hand replacement. Other than that there was no sign of any other work.

So far I have replaced the MAF due to the good running at higher revs and not lower.
Had all the injectors out, and tested them all. They all have a clean spray pattern and appear perfectly sound (I also checked the original that the garage had taken out, it too is fine).
I have checked and rechecked both the cam timing and pump timing.
I have tested the PIP sensor as best I can, i.e. the engine stalls when unplugged and the sensor isn't open-circuit (I know no other way).
The compression is just fine.
Changed the fuel filter.

Think that's about it so far. To be honest, some of the above (such as the fuel filter) aren't really relevant to the problem, but when your out of options you start clutching at straws!

Please, someone tell me there's something obvious I'm missing!
 
I've now comprehensively searched the forum about the Rev counter issue and can't find an answer.

If anyone could suggest why the Rev counter doesn't register until the RPM is built up to 2k+-ish, this is also the same point the engine runs right?

I know the counter runs off the cps but that is new and surely is either working or not!

Thank you!
 
Is the crank position sensor an OE part, or cheap copy. Was the rev counter fault there before the car want to this so called garage?
 
I don't know if the cps is o/e or Chinese, but valid point. I'll try and get it out and check! Thanks!

He doesn't recall whether that problem was there before. (He's in his 70's).
 
I don't know if the cps is o/e or Chinese, but valid point. I'll try and get it out and check! Thanks!

He doesn't recall whether that problem was there before. (He's in his 70's).

I've seen cheap sensors give a low output at low revs. It's only an old technology inductive pick up. The faster the engine spins, the higher it's output voltage. I'm not sure what the absolute minimum voltage the EDC requires. But I would think it's upwards of 5 Volts, before it was able to use it for speed sensing. Definitely worthwhile checking it and it's output, if you have the facility.
 
I may be barking up the wrong engine here... but there are crank and cam sensors. If one fails the other will act as backup. I haven't delved into Rave, but could the Cam position sensor have gone south? Normally startup uses the crank sensor, but running uses the cam sensor. Maybe the ECU is using the crank sensor as backup and its managing to run the engine, all-be-it roughly. If the Tacho is taking its feed from the ECU, does the ECU use the cam sensor for this feed?
 
I may be barking up the wrong engine here... but there are crank and cam sensors. If one fails the other will act as backup. I haven't delved into Rave, but could the Cam position sensor have gone south? Normally startup uses the crank sensor, but running uses the cam sensor. Maybe the ECU is using the crank sensor as backup and its managing to run the engine, all-be-it roughly. If the Tacho is taking its feed from the ECU, does the ECU use the cam sensor for this feed?

You guys would know better than me, but I thought that rather than a cam sensor, the PIP on injector 1 was compared with crank to control timing of injection. I hadn't even considered the existence of a cam sensor (being that the L-series is a touch old and agricultural)...

I was also informed the Tacho feed is from the crank. Please please correct any of this of its wrong!
 
I did get my engines wrong. Rave says it uses the crankshaft position sensor and the needle lift (on injector 1) sensor. It goes on to say...

Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor : If the CKP sensor fails, the malfunction indicator lamp on the instrument panel is illuminated. The ECM enters a default mode and uses signals from the needle lift sensor to enable the ECM to continue functioning but with a reduction in engine performance and a higher than normal idle speed. Starting difficulties may also be experienced.

So is your MIL light lit?

Also from Rave...

The tachometer uses an engine speed signal from the ignition coil (petrol models) or engine control module (diesel models). The signal consists of 2 pulses per engine revolution.
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The tachometer uses an engine speed signal received by the instrument pack (C233-14) from the ignition coil (C156-1) (petrol models) or ECM (C159-25) (diesel models) on a white/black wire. The speed signal is translated into engine speed by the tachometer.
 
No, surprisingly the MIL isn't on (and yes it does have a working bulb ;))

However, the rest of that makes interesting reading...
 
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