Other Freelander 1 and Freelander 2 - how many built

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I've actually never driven a D2, but I see what you mean about it being suited to Lilliputians... LOL

If I got a P38, it would not be a daily motor - so a V8 with a sports exhaust might be a lot of fun. But 17mpg, even on a fun-day motor, might be a bit too much to bear?
 
The D2 is a horrible thing to drive imho. It rolls around in the corners and the bonnet is to low for the roofline.
The ride is ok, but unless it's fitted with cornering control, it's like a boat.
That's why I bought the D3. It's miles superior in its road manors over the D2.
The L322 RR getting cheaper these days too. That's much better than the P38, and better looking too.
Obviously those are just my opinions.

I actually like the FL1. It's good at everything and doesn't cost a fortune to run.
 
I have an unhealthy attraction to FL1s, L322s and D3s.... I do think that the L322 is still one of the best looking big cars ever made, and the D3 is pretty handsome too.
There are some nice D2s for sale near me but the thought of tossing my life away worrying about rust just kills my enthusiasm. That and not being able to get in the doors (heaven forfend the idea of my mum trying to clamber in).
I'd much rather be worrying about head gaskets, air suspension and all the other real Land Rover challenges.
 
davidsmith1307 said:
I have an unhealthy attraction to FL1s, L322s and D3s.... I do think that the L322 is still one of the best looking big cars ever made, and the D3 is pretty handsome too.
There are some nice D2s for sale near me but the thought of tossing my life away worrying about rust just kills my enthusiasm. That and not being able to get in the doors (heaven forfend the idea of my mum trying to clamber in).
I'd much rather be worrying about head gaskets, air suspension and all the other real Land Rover challenges.
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If money wasn't a consideration. I'd have a late L322 V8. Or if I needed 7 seater, I'd go for a D3 V8 HSE. Both dispensing with EGR valves and other diesel related garbage.
 
I know what you mean about the FL1 being in the sweet spot of being capable, cheap to run and easy to live with!

I used to love the L322, but now I think it's looking old, in a way that the D3 doesn't. Frankly the D3 is a better looking car than the D4!

Having looked at the D5 the other weekend, I really rather like it, but somehow it feels absolutely enormous: larger than the D3/4 somehow, although the tape measure suggests that the differences are not that huge?

For a project the P38 makes some sense (not much rust), but I do really like a D3, but finding one at the right money at the moment is a bit of a challenge... So a D2 with some chassis welding? Perhaps I should drive one first! ;)
 
rob_bell said:
I know what you mean about the FL1 being in the sweet spot of being capable, cheap to run and easy to live with!

I used to love the L322, but now I think it's looking old, in a way that the D3 doesn't. Frankly the D3 is a better looking car than the D4!

Having looked at the D5 the other weekend, I really rather like it, but somehow it feels absolutely enormous: larger than the D3/4 somehow, although the tape measure suggests that the differences are not that huge?

For a project the P38 makes some sense (not much rust), but I do really like a D3, but finding one at the right money at the moment is a bit of a challenge... So a D2 with some chassis welding? Perhaps I should drive one first! ;)
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If you drive the D3 then drive the D2, you will see how far apart they are. The D2 feels old and ungainly by comparison. It's also sluggish and noisy and build quality is well below that of the D3.

If I needed more space and could absorb the extra running costs. I'd still have my D3 now. Sadly at the time I didn't need the extra space and couldn't justify the extra expense. So I have a late FL1 as my daily driver instead.
 
I wouldn't entertain a V8 even as a non-daily driver. I can't see the point in a non-daily to pop down the shops in. For me it would be for weekend trips away - and if the fuel is so expensive that you choose not to do the trips - then there's no point.

That is what we found with our V8, it was costing so much to go places that we simply didn't go.

Shifting from 14mpg to 40mpg with the Freelander was awesome, all of a sudden we were going places again :)

The D3 is growing on me. When it first came out I really didn't like, now I just don't like it! Maybe in another 12 years it will be "OK" :)
 
It's funny how cars can grow on you isn't it?

Good point well made. This would be a family high day and holiday car to go on long trips in. So yes, abysmal fuel consumption could be a real issue. Shame. I really fancy owning a V8 some day...

D3 TDV6 seems the most practical? But may be a V8 for a short while, just to scratch that itch ;)
 
rob_bell said:
It's funny how cars can grow on you isn't it?

Good point well made. This would be a family high day and holiday car to go on long trips in. So yes, abysmal fuel consumption could be a real issue. Shame. I really fancy owning a V8 some day...

D3 TDV6 seems the most practical? But may be a V8 for a short while, just to scratch that itch ;)
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lol, yeh, I'm glad I scratched that itch, just a shame I was scratching it for 8 fault ridden, fuel guzzling, money draining, pain in the ar$e years :)
 
I believe the V8's were much better of fuel once they ditched the old Buick 3.5 - in what ever 3.9, 4.2, 4.6 etc form. So the D2 V8 should get a lot more smiles per buck than a D1.
 
GrumpyGel said:
I believe the V8's were much better of fuel once they ditched the old Buick 3.5 - in what ever 3.9, 4.2, 4.6 etc form. So the D2 V8 should get a lot more smiles per buck than a D1.
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D1 ans D2 V8 were both Rover V8s. These were all aluminium clones of an old Buick engine.

The stroke and bore increased over the years and injection was added. This made them better on fuel, but not much.
The D3 has a Jaguar 32 valve 4.4 L unit. It's actually based on a Ford USA engine as far as I know.

The D3 V8 is awesome and sounds lovely. I borrowed a friends for a month, just to see if I liked it. He was in the US at the time.
I found it was a smile for every mile I drove it. It was quick, quiet and smooth to drive, but with that low V8 rumble in the background. I did get 16 Mpg on my daily commute. However show it a motorway and it did just under 30 Mpg, if carefully driven.

The TDV6 by comparison is slower and slightly noisier. However Mpg on my daily was 25 Mpg with 33+ Mpg on the motorway.
 
I need to have a V8 in my life some time soon, before it becomes absolutely 100% too expensive.
I'm off diesel a bit as well. Not because of all the eco-jabber going on at the moment, just the smell and the noise. Spending a good chunk of my life in York traffic jams of diesels has pushed me back to petrol.
 
neilly said:
I thought it was the same engine ,just a different stroke.

Cheers
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That's wiked! They've been around for 18 years and I always though they had a different (BMW or something) engine. Probably from taking a quick glance at an engine and seeing a completely different plenum - the rounded channel housing as opposed to the "Rover" rectangular box.

I was chatting to a chap who said he was getting 15.5L/100KM (18 MPG) from his D2 V8 - another reason for thinking it wasn't the Rover V8! I believe he was running LPG.
 
The D2 V8 is the Thor (Bosch) version of the D1 Gems (Lucas). It has the banana-finger manifolds that give an increase in bottom end torque and generally better performance - you can tell the difference.
As far as I know there was no change to bore or stroke from 3.9l to 4.0l, just a marketing thing.
 
It's true the 3.9 and 4L were the same size. Both 3947cc. The history books put it down to advertising.
 
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Hippo said:
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After a lot of searching online I think me book on Freelanders has what is probably the most accurate set of figures produced.

Freelander 1:
Sales figures per calendar year - all built in Solihull
Yearly sales figures don't include CKD Completely Knocked Down Freelander 1's exported in kit form for build overseas.

1996 = 108 (all pre production)
1997 = 3,679
1998 = 60,571
1999 = 70,309
2000 = 71,864
2001 = 71,589
2002 = 72,143
2003 = 59,876
2004 = 61,272
2005 = 41,796
2006 = 21,066
CKD = 13,647 (built in Malaysia, South Africa and Thailand)
Total = 547,920


Freelander 2:
Sales figures per calendar year.
Figures are global so this includes Freelander 2's built in Halewood (UK) and Pune (India).
It's believed these figures also include CKD Completely Knocked Down Freelander 2's exported in kit form for build overseas.

2006 = 1,355 (4,622 built)
2007 = 66,582 (76,585 built)
2008 = 58,089 (59,638 built)
2009 = 45,221 (35,502 built)
2010 = 54,833
2011 = 51,954
2012 = 48,332
2013 = 57,691
2014 = 56,622
2015 = 3,278
Total = 443,957
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Hi Hippo.
Do you know how to find how many Tambora Flame FL2 came of the line in the 12 month run they were being made please
 
Arctic2 said:
Hi Hippo.
Do you know how to find how many Tambora Flame FL2 came of the line in the 12 month run they were being made please
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Sorry i don't know. I have a lot of LR and FL books so i will have a look and see if they mention it. TF was the colour they used to launch the FL2. There were no problems like they had with red paint some years later (pigment from japan which was difficult to get after the nuke plant leak) so I guess they stopped it as it was less popular. I always liked it.
 
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