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Anti roll bar

Discussion in 'Range Rover' started by Blastapest2, Nov 9, 2018.

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  1. Blastapest2

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    Hi All,
    I was watching an early episode of Top Gear today which featured what appeared to be a standard L322 and a Range Rover Sport, Clarkson commented about how much better the Sport cornered than the standard vehicle! Has anyone fitted different anti roll bars to their standard vehicle to improve the cornering or are there any other mods that will achieve the same results?
    Mine is a 2012 4.4 TDV8 Westminster and I don't want to do anything to radical and spoil the otherwise good ride !!
     
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    Its not something I have ever considered, mainly because I have never had any issues cornering. If you are having a problem, I would think there are other things that someone, like @Saint.V8 , @holidaychicken or @ quite a few of the others, could point you to, to resolve the issue. Rather than looking for mods.

    P.s they can probably tell you , quite technically, why two completely different vehicles handle differently to each other. The L320 is not a 'sporty' version of the L322. They are different. The L320 is closer to a Discovery. @gstuart is good for that explanation.
     
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    Henry_b Well-Known Member

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    From what i understand OP a Range Rover is a cruiser and a car to enjoy as such.

    IMO it isn't meant to be a sports car.
     
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    gold rover Well-Known Member

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    I think some people, not saying the op, but some mix up the 'sport' mode on the L322 as some magic racing car adjustment button. Rather than its intended use of being able to hold the revs a tad longer at the higher range, as one would do in a manual, to allow an extra boost when needed. For example getting almost 3 ton of vehicle, past grandpa driving at 25mph on a country road, where there is only one straight stretch to pass. This stretch being where grandpa finds the accelerator, just as you pull out to pass.
    They also think the sport is a smaller L322, when it is a Disco in a new dress. The same people also think a 2.5 ton vehicle is a sports car because of the sport badge. It's not.
     
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    Henry_b Well-Known Member

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    Agreed!

    Amazing what a button can do!

    ;) :D
     
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    Depends on the button :D
     
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    Henry_b Well-Known Member

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    True ;) ;) ;) :D
     
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    It's all about roll centres.

    L322 is quite a lot taller than L320 so that's a partial explanation as to why they behave differently.

    A great invention is the de-coupling roll bar, it means you can corner faster with less roll (as they are usually much stiffer than regular arbs) but with the convenience of allowing the wheels to articulate freely at lower speeds.

    Standard arbs are a compromise, too stiff and the wheels don't articulate freely enough for comfort,
    too soft and they allow ample wheel articulation but too much roll.

    Uprated arbs will enhance high speed driving, but at the expense of mid corner suppleness and off road prowess.

    Uprated arbs are usually 25% stiffer, and as most L322s are road biased, why not?
     
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    Not much to add really , the sport is better at making a quick get away from a job or a drug deal that got a bit tasty and the L322 is a bit more cruise ship and classic fm. Two different vehicles and the L322 sport mode is the equivalent to granny wearing her Zumba trainers to the shops instead of the usual tartan zip up slippers, but she won’t be flicking the bird to usain on her way past.

    Wheel and tyre profile can play a part but as already said the L322 is a little up on stilts so some people have been known to ‘recalibrate‘ the suspension heights but I couldn’t confirm if that has an adverse effect on geometry and whether that can be dialled back in on a 4 wheel alignment session if necessary.
    Polybushes are available for the L322 but I think they would make the ride a little harsh.
     
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    Can the L322 be locked at motorway height as can be done on the P38? If it can, that will reduce corner roll a tad.
     
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    wammers STILL BREATHING. Donater

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    Or he can start cornering at a more reasonable speed. I find that works every time. And it costs nothing, no modifications required.
     
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    It has always surprised me how quickly the P38 can be hustled round corners when in a hurry. Coming after a Daihatsu 4Track, a Pajero and a Hyundai Galloper, the P38 corners really well, it is also quicker than any of the aforementioned.:D:D
     
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    Correct, i can never understand questions of this sort. My P38 is well planted and does not roll appreciably whilst cornering and as said in motorway is very capable on corners for an high C of G vehicle.;):D.
     
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    I agree. As stated in my earlier post, I have absolutely no problems going round corners in my L322 and if the op is considering 'mods', then there must be something wrong with his vehicle. Unless of course he thinks the Range Rover is a quad bike and is trying to throw it around corners! ;) Which the term 'cornering' seems to imply ( could be wrong ) . Which is not only stupid but dangerous.

    So best 'mod' , is to modify his driving


    P.s It is rankling me that the op keeps calling the L322 the 'standard' vehicle. As if it is some basic model and the sport is something a step up. :mad::rolleyes:
     
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    I find mine a little stiff in the corners, I think i long for the more wallowing ride of the classic, my leather seats are also too hard.
    I am trying to turn mine into a gentleman's club by smoking cigars in it with my friend and I also have a 1 litre oak barrel of whisky or brandy in the cellar i mean boot which adds to the atmosphere.
    The only thing missing from mine is the lack of waitresses to abuse and some mild upskirting. The glove box also makes a crap humidor so i will be adding one of those to the car bar in the boot. :)

    Back to the original question though, there are a lot of bushes in the front suspension and I think if any of them are true to form and are beginning to fail then that would present some slack in the corners.

    The young lad who owned the TD6 i was fecking around with (fecking around with the TD6 not the young lad - unless he had the misfortune to stumble into my gentleman's club then him as well ;)), i had to tell him the L322 is more Classic FM not Kiss FM
     
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    It is no bad thing to find it a little stiff in corners especially when pushing GR's buttons.
    I put on blue poly bushes on my P38 and was a disaster.
    Now got yellow ones but none are anywhere near as comfortable or stable as the originals
     
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    No buttons here.
     
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    You can try pushing them but I think you will find they will turn into suppositories fairly quickly but be my guest, I'll even hold your coat and then forward it on to your NOK for you :D
     
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    Well that seemed to bring out the sharp edged tools! All I was asking was, was there an option to improve the anti roll ability as Clarkson appeared to be driving two fairly similar vehicles. one of which handled better than the other !! I'm certainly NOT a boy racer 71 at last count! Great vehicle, just wondered if it could be improved!!
     
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    Clarkson:eek: What a clown:rolleyes:
     
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