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taxii

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Hi all. me again and this time with a prob thats not ird or vcu. just noticed the abs light doesnt come on when i start the truck. ive checked the bulbs and all are fine and the bulb was there so wasnt taken out for staying on all the time but just doesnt come on at all. checked the fuses and no probs. a bit of a head scratcher but i am thinking maybe sensors on the brakes but not sure and dont really want to go ripping the brakes apart if someone else has had this prob and has any ideas on whet else it might be. if it is the sensors then im taking the prop shaft off this weekend so can look at them then if anyone knows exactly where they are on the 1.8k model. (waits for laughter to stop at model bought but couldnt afford the diesel.) lol. cheers oh and a quick addition. while i had the dash apart ive noticed someone has taken the srs bulb out as it stays on when i put another bulb in. ive read in the handbook that the airbag needs servicing and think this might be the case here but not sure. it doesnt bother me at the moment but have been informed that this is an mot failure next year so if i keep the thing i will eventually have to get it sorted so any ideas on this as well as the abs one. lol. think i should have bought a push bike. lol.
 
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Ok back yet again. just been looking at the handbook bit on raves c.d and it states that some models dont come with abs and wouldnt have an abs warning light but how do you tell if youve got the model without the abs? i didnt get much paperwork with the f.l and dont know how to check if ive got it or not. has anyone else got the base model 1.8 on a w.plate and do you know if youve got abs? i wouldnt have thought it would have as it runs disc front and drum rear and i didnt think you could have abs without discs all the way round.
 
Lift your bonnet and look if its got a big ABS Modulator in it.

I'm pretty sure it actually has a sticker on it saying 'ABS Modulator' .
 
ive had a look and nothing under the bonnet and nothing but the fluid pipe going to the brakes. i suppose the best thing to do is take down the chassis number and ring landrover. must the total base model if it hasnt even got abs. lol.
 
ABS was a option on early models. If there were any that had it as standard, it would have been the higher spec ones.
 
ABS was a option on early models. If there were any that had it as standard, it would have been the higher spec ones.

thats what i thought when i read the handbook but was a bit worried as thats one of the things my beemer failed on and it was over a grand to sort so was a bit worried when no abs light came on on the f.l but theres nothing going to the wheels and i didnt think you could do abs with just drums on the back.
 
The FL1 does have abs and use drums on the rear. The back end is too light to have disks. An easy test is to reverse fast then brake hard. Front wheels will skid as the braking momentum isn't pushing on the front wheels. Vehicles that have disks at the rear only have small disks. Breaking effort is reduced compared to the front.
 
The FL1 does have abs and use drums on the rear. The back end is too light to have disks. An easy test is to reverse fast then brake hard. Front wheels will skid as the braking momentum isn't pushing on the front wheels. Vehicles that have disks at the rear only have small disks. Breaking effort is reduced compared to the front.

k so if they skid i havnt got abs then? to be honest it doesnt feel like i have which might be why they feel wooden as its been a very long time since ive driven anything without abs and without discs all the way round. the car before this was a 323 beemer which stopped instantly but was running drilled and vented discs so the f.l brakes took a bit of getting used to. just dont want any nasty surprises at the next mot.
 
'Wooden feel' or not - you cannot tell if you have got ABS or not from the feel of the vehicle under normal braking.

Of course if you deliberately provoke a skid as described you will be able to tell.

Have another look under the bonnet - on the inner wing on the driver's side - between the windscreen wash filler and the power steering tank - you can't possibly miss the ABS unit if it's there!!!

It's a great big lump of machined solid aluminium with 6 brake pipes attached to it.
 
'Wooden feel' or not - you cannot tell if you have got ABS or not from the feel of the vehicle under normal braking.

Of course if you deliberately provoke a skid as described you will be able to tell.

Have another look under the bonnet - on the inner wing on the driver's side - between the windscreen wash filler and the power steering tank - you can't possibly miss the ABS unit if it's there!!!

It's a great big lump of machined solid aluminium with 6 brake pipes attached to it.

yup got one of those. so it looks like i might have a prob if it does have abs then. cant see any wires going to any of the brakes though. do they go to the drive shafts or to the wheels as i cant find any wires at all.
 
Right - first let's be 100% sure that the aluminium 'block' really is the ABS unit and not just a smaller connection block for the normal brake pipes.

The ABS unit will have a black cylinder bit attached sticking out the back towards the driver. It also has a multi connector with loads of wires visible at the front left - towards the w-wash filler.

The ABS wires for the front wheels run parallel to the brake pipes and are clipped with yellow clips to the protective coils on the brake pipes.

I can't remember the routing on the back, and as its pi**ing down rain here at the moment I'm not going outside to check.

Hopefully that's enough info. Good luck.
 
Right - first let's be 100% sure that the aluminium 'block' really is the ABS unit and not just a smaller connection block for the normal brake pipes.

The ABS unit will have a black cylinder bit attached sticking out the back towards the driver. It also has a multi connector with loads of wires visible at the front left - towards the w-wash filler.

The ABS wires for the front wheels run parallel to the brake pipes and are clipped with yellow clips to the protective coils on the brake pipes.

I can't remember the routing on the back, and as its pi**ing down rain here at the moment I'm not going outside to check.

Hopefully that's enough info. Good luck.

thanks for that. just put my mind at ease. it has no elecs going to it at all. looks just like a transfer box for the brake pipes. all it has going to it or from it are the 6 brake pipes.
 
k so if they skid i havnt got abs then? to be honest it doesnt feel like i have which might be why they feel wooden as its been a very long time since ive driven anything without abs and without discs all the way round. the car before this was a 323 beemer which stopped instantly but was running drilled and vented discs so the f.l brakes took a bit of getting used to. just dont want any nasty surprises at the next mot.
Sorry. My explanation was more to do with the point you raised about abs and drums on the rear, not your problem. Vehicles can have abs and drums on the back. If they had disks on the rear, they would be smaller disks and breaking force to the pads/disks would be less than the front pads/disks. Reason for this is under harsh braking the weight of the vehicle pushes the tyres to the ground. You see this when the body work lowers. Hence going forwards the front end dips. Back wheels have less force on them. If the car were to brake in reverse, the front wheels wouldn’t have the weight pushing down on them. Hence they skid, even with abs. The abs isn’t there to help you brake, it’s there to help you to control direction of your car while braking. It will effectively slow you down though.
 
Sorry. My explanation was more to do with the point you raised about abs and drums on the rear, not your problem. Vehicles can have abs and drums on the back. If they had disks on the rear, they would be smaller disks and breaking force to the pads/disks would be less than the front pads/disks. Reason for this is under harsh braking the weight of the vehicle pushes the tyres to the ground. You see this when the body work lowers. Hence going forwards the front end dips. Back wheels have less force on them. If the car were to brake in reverse, the front wheels wouldn’t have the weight pushing down on them. Hence they skid, even with abs. The abs isn’t there to help you brake, it’s there to help you to control direction of your car while braking. It will effectively slow you down though.
yup i understand the process of abs as had it save me once when someone pulled around in front of me and if the wheels had of locked i wouldnt be here now but the abs let me slow down enough and stay in control to steer the car around him. i dont think mine does have it though so prob why the lights not coming on. it doesnt bother me not having it as i tend not to drive the f.l that quick but was worried about it failing the next mot. just got to find some way of sorting the srs light out now as its staying on all the time and i think its gonna be an mot failure next year. im hoping it just needs resetting.
 
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