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Hello,

My Insurance company phoned today to let me know that they would not require any additional premium in order for me to fit a 200TDi to my 90. It would be replacing my current 2.5 N/A. That's all good news to me :). Now, before I start rushing into things I need to ask a few questions and get a very clear idea as to what is going to be involved and at what cost. I've done my reading so I have a pretty good idea, but there are still a few things I'd like to be 100% clear on.

Obviously now there is the fun task of finding and buying a solid 200TDi engine. Ideally I'm after the whole whack, so: the engine with everything it needs in order to run i.e. fuel pump, turbo, etc. As well as the intercooler, radiator, alternator and starter. Does any body on here have any up for grabs? I've heard that Sean is my man to ask :confused:

When it comes down to the actual fitting I see it as being a relatively straight forward but time consuming task including disconnecting everything that provides fuel, water and electricity to my current engine. Undoing the exhaust and intake system, removing all of the bellhousing studs and then undoing the mounts so that the engine will lift out of the front (obviously with the radiator out of the way). And then doing the exact thing in reverse with the 200TDi, of course with the few little problems like the bell housing stud that doesn't line up and the stard of a down pipe.

Then again, I could get a Defender 200TDi and drop it straight in which would make the ball ache (or time required) a lot less of a bugger and a pain in the arse. Does anyone have a Defender 200TDi available?

I'm in the process of mulling the whole thing over. There's no doubt I should go ahead it's just a matter of having an absolute and complete plan (even though I know they never work) so that I know how long I am likely to need. I'd more than likely be doing it on the drive at home, that is unless I can persuade my local garage to let me borrow a few yards of their yard!

Any tips, pointers, suggestions!?
-Pos
 
You'll find that genuine Defender 200tdi's are very hard to come by and thus very expensive. When I was looking to do my conversion, I had the opportunity of buying a rusty old 110 Defender pick up with an original engine with only 80,000 on the clock but I missed the end of the eBay auction. :( It went for about £1100 if I remember rightly, with rust in place of a chassis and certainly no MOT.

IF you can get hold of one at a reasonable price it's well worth it, because the parts needed to convert the Disco 200tdi are about £150 all in all plus the ball ache as you put it. :D
 
Hi Pos

As I'm nearing completion on mine (At the mo I'm just waiting for a mate to appear to help me mate the 200TDi to the bellhousing) then I can hopefully be some help.

I bought a complete Disco and recommend this way to do it as a)you can give the engine a test drive etc first, b)you have everything you need/more bits to use, and c)can sell all the other Disco bits off afterwards to help fund it!

I've just posted a load of links on the recent "Help!" thread for someone else looking to do the conversion.

Costwise I'm at about 600 (including the full disco for 350) but shouldn't be much more now. I wanted to do everything properly so this includes new clutch, manufactured downpipe, silicon hoses etc etc. I'll also recoup a load from old parts from the TD and of course all the unneeded bits of Disco (i.e. most of it!).

I've been keeping records of exactly what I did, what I bought etc so once complete will post my own "how to" guide too. Everyone does it in a slightly different way so I did what I thought was the best bits from then all - lol!

Cheers

Richard
 
richardjeaton said:
Hi Pos

As I'm nearing completion on mine (At the mo I'm just waiting for a mate to appear to help me mate the 200TDi to the bellhousing) then I can hopefully be some help.

I bought a complete Disco and recommend this way to do it as a)you can give the engine a test drive etc first, b)you have everything you need/more bits to use, and c)can sell all the other Disco bits off afterwards to help fund it!

I've just posted a load of links on the recent "Help!" thread for someone else looking to do the conversion.

Costwise I'm at about 600 (including the full disco for 350) but shouldn't be much more now. I wanted to do everything properly so this includes new clutch, manufactured downpipe, silicon hoses etc etc. I'll also recoup a load from old parts from the TD and of course all the unneeded bits of Disco (i.e. most of it!).

I've been keeping records of exactly what I did, what I bought etc so once complete will post my own "how to" guide too. Everyone does it in a slightly different way so I did what I thought was the best bits from then all - lol!

Cheers

Richard
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I've kept on top of all your conversion threads recently. They're very interesting and the pictures are brilliant.
Would you mind if I came and had a look and point session at some point just to get a feel for it? You're only down the road :D (Don't feel like you have to say yes by any means!) I'm not into botching anything myself and I'd want to do everything properly. Silicone hoses might have to go a miss though, money doesn't grow on trees like it does in Wetherby! :p

-Pos
 
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I am doing another one for a mates 110. Doing it in exactly the same way I did mine.
So far so good. It's managing the time that is the biggest problem for me. Everything is being done in the evenings.
Best thing to do is make a plan. I am using the original excel spread sheet plan I created and updated. I can see what little steps and big steps are coming up and can arrange time as needed.
Very much worth doing.
Find a mechanically sound rusted out 1991-1993 ish Disco 200Tdi for as cheap as possible. Mine was £315, my mates was £350.
After I ripped all the parts out I didn't want and flogged them the engine cost me nothing. I paid out for an engine hoist, which has been an absolute god-send for other jobs and shifting very heavy stuff. Other than that no specialised tools are needed. A clutch alignment tool is £10.
Look at all the other threads on here, including mine, and work out how much you want to replace or buy new and you can bring the price down.
Some things that have to be replaced are the cam-belt, clutch and all the oil seals behind them. If you don't and they leak or break soon after installation you will kick yourself!!

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f7/200tdi-upgrade-begins-59862-18.html

On this page are the steps from my spreadsheet that I am currently following again.

It'll be the best bolt-on upgrade you have ever done for your Landy.
 
I made my own clutch alignment tool.... Just cut the Rod off an old gearbox. Best tool there is as we found the brand new Borg and Beck clutch we had fitted was that tight against the splines it wasnt engaging properly even using the purchased alignment tool. After a few insertations with my home made splined tool the engine popped onto the bell housing no problem.. We did the last engine upgrade in 2 days.
 
Sirus said:
I made my own clutch alignment tool.... Just cut the Rod off an old gearbox. Best tool there is as we found the brand new Borg and Beck clutch we had fitted was that tight against the splines it wasnt engaging properly even using the purchased alignment tool. After a few insertations with my home made splined tool the engine popped onto the bell housing no problem.. We did the last engine upgrade in 2 days.
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and how long did it take to redo yours:rolleyes::D:D
 
Fit the 300 like boydy and I. To be honest the engine is better (yeah yeah there are differences that people prefer, but things like the 200 being easir to work I don't understand its 6 and half a dozen. You can get a 300tdi from a disco and apart from the mounts it will just drop in so not a big deal, you still need to do the rad and intercooler and oil cooler and that stuff anyway, hoses need to be a little longer (as it will sit in the LT77 position) but it's easily done.

Also the 300tdi is smoother, quieter more refined.

I reckon it could be done in a weekend easy. Taking the old engine out is a doddle, maybe 4 hours.
 
discomania said:
Fit the 300 like boydy and I. To be honest the engine is better (yeah yeah there are differences that people prefer, but things like the 200 being easir to work I don't understand its 6 and half a dozen. You can get a 300tdi from a disco and apart from the mounts it will just drop in so not a big deal, you still need to do the rad and intercooler and oil cooler and that stuff anyway, hoses need to be a little longer (as it will sit in the LT77 position) but it's easily done.

Also the 300tdi is smoother, quieter more refined.

I reckon it could be done in a weekend easy. Taking the old engine out is a doddle, maybe 4 hours.
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Will it mate to my LT77 bell housing without having to remove / re-tap studs and what about the exhaust down pipe?

-Pos
 
Im looking to do the same thing soon :) , but Ill be stripping the motor down and re building it befor it goes in , mainly for peace of mind but I can forget about it then , just regular oil changes etc .

( is there any common faults with the 200 ???? )
 
pos said:
How many miles on it? How much are you after? -Pos
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Can't be exact about the mileage cos it was a replacement engine in a disco I scrapped but it's under 100k according to the folks I bought it off. It's a sweet runner, no smoke, runs nice and cool, usual oil leaks but nothing out of the ordinary. All the wiring still with it etc. Yours (or anybody else's for that matter) for 250 quid. It'd need collecting from Anglesey. Can sort out a disco transfer box to go with it too for a small fee.
 
hughesy said:
Can't be exact about the mileage cos it was a replacement engine in a disco I scrapped but it's under 100k according to the folks I bought it off. It's a sweet runner, no smoke, runs nice and cool, usual oil leaks but nothing out of the ordinary. All the wiring still with it etc. Yours (or anybody else's for that matter) for 250 quid. It'd need collecting from Anglesey. Can sort out a disco transfer box to go with it too for a small fee.
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Now that's tempting. Only problem is I'm in Leeds. Would you have all the necessary gear to load it into my landy? Or! Better still, help me fit it if I drove over :D

-Pos
 
pos said:
Now that's tempting. Only problem is I'm in Leeds. Would you have all the necessary gear to load it into my landy? Or! Better still, help me fit it if I drove over :D

-Pos
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I've got an engine crane so loading is no problem but you're on yer own as far as fittin it's concerned. I've got more stuff to do than there's hours in the day for as it is:D
 
hughesy said:
I've got an engine crane so loading is no problem but you're on yer own as far as fittin it's concerned. I've got more stuff to do than there's hours in the day for as it is:D
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Alright, I'll have a think about it and see if there is going to be a slot when I could come down before Christmas. Is there a charge to get over the bridge onto the Island? Would you fancy helping me fit it for £100 to £150 or so? :eek: I'm sure I'd manage at home with my Dad though

-Pos
 
sypher said:
Be a nice road trip for you Pos :) around 5 hrs return :) on easy roads . Not like me 4hrs one way from the forest lol .
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It'd take a lot longer than that! At least 4 hours to get there, make it 4.5 in the landy, then the same back! It'd also take a while to get around on the island
 
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