110 Defender diesel starvation and now a water leak!

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Peter Sheppard

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• Sep 30, 2005

• #1

The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the
car. There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well
for 15 years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1"
long and terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place
with a jubilee clip!

A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)

As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
learned souls with another question!

When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in
the passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from
under the dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess
it is around the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and
when I have found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?

Cheers

Peter

I'll soon have a 1993 (K) 3 door 200TDi with 200k on the clock (gearbox
replaced at 150k) for sale in the Trowbridge area, offers around £2,300.

 

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JD

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #2

Peter Sheppard wrote:

> The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the
> car. There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well
> for 15 years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1"
> long and terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place
> with a jubilee clip!
>
> A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)
>
> As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
> learned souls with another question!
>
> When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in
> the passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from
> under the dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess
> it is around the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and
> when I have found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> I'll soon have a 1993 (K) 3 door 200TDi with 200k on the clock (gearbox
> replaced at 150k) for sale in the Trowbridge area, offers around £2,300.

Assuming there is not a rust hole(s) in the bulkhead the most likely entry
points are the ventilator seals, the windscreen bracket or hinge mounting
bolts, or the door seal. Other possibilities are the seal between the
windscreen frame and the bulkhead, and the windscreen seal itself, and the
seal at the top of the windscreen.

Note that although it comes from under the dash, it may have travelled quite
a distance to get there, so looking in the immediate area may not be very
productive.
JD

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #3

On or around Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:38:06 GMT, Peter Sheppard
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the
>car. There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well
>for 15 years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1"
> long and terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place
>with a jubilee clip!
>
>A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)
>
>As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
>learned souls with another question!
>
>When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in
>the passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from
>under the dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess
>it is around the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and
>when I have found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?

Parked uphill or downhill?

Used to get some leaks in my 110. It's pretty much endemic, I reckon.
Windscreen seal or vent seals are most likely, but you can get puddles
sitting on the front wings and working there way in through the bulkhead, I
reckon, if parked facing uphill.

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beamendsltd

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• Sep 30, 2005

• #4

In message <[email protected]>
Peter Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote:

> The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the
> car. There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well
> for 15 years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1"
> long and terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place
> with a jubilee clip!
>
> A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)

Ahem.... there should be two breathers on the tank - one just next
to the filler, and the other at the top front on the filler side.
The latter one is supposed to be blanked off.

>
> As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
> learned souls with another question!
>
> When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in
> the passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from
> under the dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess
> it is around the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and
> when I have found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?

It could be the windscreen seal, but it could also be water draining
on to the footwell from practically anywhere on the front!

>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>

Richard
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Andrew Renshaw

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #5

I had a seriosu water leaking problem in my 110. Wifey was complaining that
when it rained her feet were getting wet. I discovered that the water was
running down the windscreen channel and behind the heater and had made a
nice hole of rust that went straight through the bulkhead.

A bit of dismantling, some 2mm plate and a little fire later (foam on the
bulkhead caught fire) it was fixed. liberal coatings of black Waxoyl and I
reckon it is good for another 10 years. It is dry also in the footwell as
well. So wifey is happy.

All I have to do now is cure the leaking sunroof, not easy.

Yours

Andy

 

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puffernutter

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #6

Breather - that's rather worrying!

I have a problem with high pressure in the tank, so I have assumed that
it was due to a failed or blocked breather. It gets noticeable after a
period of running when I get the effect of fuel starvation. I had
assumed that the pressure in the tank (and it seems fairly high when
the cap is removed) is preventing the lift pump from operating
properly. The fuel cap does not appear to breathe (and it as far as I
can tell it is a proper LR cap). I have seen the two breathers, one by
the filler pipe (but I haven't traced it) and the one that is blocked
off.

With the cap removed (not advisable long term!) everything is happy and
normal service is resumed!

Unfortunately both the LR manual and Haynes manual are both silent on
this area, so can I have some advice on which pipe should be attached
where and which acts as the breather and thus vents to atmosphere?

Cheers

Peter

 

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Pieter Vroom

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #7

Hi Peter

I have a copy of the "water ingress manual", the fact that it exists should
give some idea of the frequency of the problem! It is a pdf, but in German.

If you want me to email it to you just let me know.

Pieter

"Peter Sheppard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the car.
> There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well for 15
> years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1" long and
> terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place with a
> jubilee clip!
>
> A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)
>
> As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
> learned souls with another question!
>
> When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in the
> passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from under the
> dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess it is around
> the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and when I have
> found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> I'll soon have a 1993 (K) 3 door 200TDi with 200k on the clock (gearbox
> replaced at 150k) for sale in the Trowbridge area, offers around £2,300.

 

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Andrew Renshaw

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #8

Can I have a copy at andy"at"preaching.co.uk

Yours

Andy
"Pieter Vroom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Peter
>
> I have a copy of the "water ingress manual", the fact that it exists
> should give some idea of the frequency of the problem! It is a pdf, but in
> German.
>
> If you want me to email it to you just let me know.
>
> Pieter
>
> "Peter Sheppard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the car.
>> There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well for 15
>> years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1" long and
>> terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place with a
>> jubilee clip!
>>
>> A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)
>>
>> As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
>> learned souls with another question!
>>
>> When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in
>> the passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from
>> under the dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess
>> it is around the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and
>> when I have found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> I'll soon have a 1993 (K) 3 door 200TDi with 200k on the clock (gearbox
>> replaced at 150k) for sale in the Trowbridge area, offers around £2,300.
>
>

 

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puffernutter

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #9

Yes please, I would like a copy. Thanks. Peter

 

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beamendsltd

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #10

In message <[email protected]>
"puffernutter" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Breather - that's rather worrying!
>
> I have a problem with high pressure in the tank, so I have assumed that
> it was due to a failed or blocked breather. It gets noticeable after a
> period of running when I get the effect of fuel starvation. I had
> assumed that the pressure in the tank (and it seems fairly high when
> the cap is removed) is preventing the lift pump from operating
> properly. The fuel cap does not appear to breathe (and it as far as I
> can tell it is a proper LR cap). I have seen the two breathers, one by
> the filler pipe (but I haven't traced it) and the one that is blocked
> off.
>
> With the cap removed (not advisable long term!) everything is happy and
> normal service is resumed!
>
> Unfortunately both the LR manual and Haynes manual are both silent on
> this area, so can I have some advice on which pipe should be attached
> where and which acts as the breather and thus vents to atmosphere?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>

The one by the filler should go to the filler neck just below the
filler cap.

Richard
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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #11

On or around Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:38:06 GMT, Peter Sheppard
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the
>car. There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well
>for 15 years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1"
> long and terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place
>with a jubilee clip!
>
>A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)
>
>As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
>learned souls with another question!
>
>When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in
>the passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from
>under the dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess
>it is around the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and
>when I have found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?

Parked uphill or downhill?

Used to get some leaks in my 110. It's pretty much endemic, I reckon.
Windscreen seal or vent seals are most likely, but you can get puddles
sitting on the front wings and working there way in through the bulkhead, I
reckon, if parked facing uphill.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
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Andrew Renshaw

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #12

I had a seriosu water leaking problem in my 110. Wifey was complaining that
when it rained her feet were getting wet. I discovered that the water was
running down the windscreen channel and behind the heater and had made a
nice hole of rust that went straight through the bulkhead.

A bit of dismantling, some 2mm plate and a little fire later (foam on the
bulkhead caught fire) it was fixed. liberal coatings of black Waxoyl and I
reckon it is good for another 10 years. It is dry also in the footwell as
well. So wifey is happy.

All I have to do now is cure the leaking sunroof, not easy.

Yours

Andy

 

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beamendsltd

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #13

In message <[email protected]>
Peter Sheppard <[email protected]> wrote:

> The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the
> car. There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well
> for 15 years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1"
> long and terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place
> with a jubilee clip!
>
> A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)

Ahem.... there should be two breathers on the tank - one just next
to the filler, and the other at the top front on the filler side.
The latter one is supposed to be blanked off.

>
> As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
> learned souls with another question!
>
> When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in
> the passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from
> under the dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess
> it is around the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and
> when I have found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?

It could be the windscreen seal, but it could also be water draining
on to the footwell from practically anywhere on the front!

>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
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Pieter Vroom

Guest

• Sep 30, 2005

• #14

Hi Peter

I have a copy of the "water ingress manual", the fact that it exists should
give some idea of the frequency of the problem! It is a pdf, but in German.

If you want me to email it to you just let me know.

Pieter

"Peter Sheppard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The diesel starvation problem became obvious when I looked under the car.
> There had been a new tank fitted (or the LR label had lasted well for 15
> years under the car!) and the breather pipe was approximately 1" long and
> terminated with a screw stuck in the end of it, held in place with a
> jubilee clip!
>
> A proper breather has now been fitted (and one that breathes!)
>
> As I am still learning about this vehicle I should like to trouble you
> learned souls with another question!
>
> When the car is parked and it rains I get a serious amount of water in the
> passenger footwell, the drips (or more like a flood!) comes from under the
> dash. There is obviously a seal that isn't and I would guess it is around
> the bulkhead area - is there anywhere obvious to look and when I have
> found the leak, what is the best stuff to seal it with?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> I'll soon have a 1993 (K) 3 door 200TDi with 200k on the clock (gearbox
> replaced at 150k) for sale in the Trowbridge area, offers around £2,300.