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Mark Williamson

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Well, I haven't even picked it up, and i am thinking of stuff i want to do
with it.

First one is fit seatbelts to the rear bench seats. Is it possible? Kits
out there somewhere in military spares world?

Secondly, i will occasionally want to tow a civvy trailer, or caravan.
Obviously I will need a drop plate of some kind, but I don't want a plough
permanently bolted on the back. In my dim and distant memory I remember an
article in one of the comics, where a guy had build a drop plate that hung
from the NATO hitch, with stays to tha chassis, much like RR / Disco drop
plates. Did these go into production? Does anyone have the article in
their back issues? Or is there another solution I am missing?

Apologies if these have been asked before, but I have had a google, with out
much luck!

Best Regards

MW


 
Mark Williamson wrote:

> First one is fit seatbelts to the rear bench seats. Is it possible? Kits
> out there somewhere in military spares world?

Hi Mark,

Are you a member of the Yahoo 101 group yet ?

We fitted a frame that takes three forward facing ex-minibus seats,
complete with seatbelts in ours. The frame comes in and out with four
(big) bolts to the frame.

>
> Secondly, i will occasionally want to tow a civvy trailer, or caravan.
> Obviously I will need a drop plate of some kind, but I don't want a plough
> permanently bolted on the back.

Mine drops off with 6 bolts- takes 10 minutes to drop it on and off. If
you find a NATO hitch clip, that's be cool.

Steve
 
Steve Taylor wrote:
> Mark Williamson wrote:
>
> > First one is fit seatbelts to the rear bench seats. Is it
possible? Kits
> > out there somewhere in military spares world?
>
The rear seats designed for the 101 had lap belts attached but are now
unobtainable. Normal short bench seats would fit with aftermarket lap
belts bolted through the body work with spreader plates.

The usual method of making a tow plough is to fabricate something that
hangs from the NATO hitch and is braced back to brackets welded to the
chassis rails and secured by a couple of bolts.

If you do a search on or join the 101 Yahoo group this will be answered
in more detail, there may even be photos on file.

Sean
73FL74 101GS
1984 110 2.5NA
Medway Military vehicle Group
www.mmvg,net

 
Thanks all,

I have followed the instructions for the 101 group, so should soon be
joining you all there.

It has some seats in the back already, but i didn't notice any belts.

Really should calm down and wait till it's on the drive!

Best Regards

MW
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve Taylor wrote:
>> Mark Williamson wrote:
>>
>> > First one is fit seatbelts to the rear bench seats. Is it
> possible? Kits
>> > out there somewhere in military spares world?
>>
> The rear seats designed for the 101 had lap belts attached but are now
> unobtainable. Normal short bench seats would fit with aftermarket lap
> belts bolted through the body work with spreader plates.
>
> The usual method of making a tow plough is to fabricate something that
> hangs from the NATO hitch and is braced back to brackets welded to the
> chassis rails and secured by a couple of bolts.
>
> If you do a search on or join the 101 Yahoo group this will be answered
> in more detail, there may even be photos on file.
>
> Sean
> 73FL74 101GS
> 1984 110 2.5NA
> Medway Military vehicle Group
> www.mmvg,net
>


 
"Mark Williamson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks all,
>
> I have followed the instructions for the 101 group, so should soon be
> joining you all there.
>
> It has some seats in the back already, but i didn't notice any belts.
>
> Really should calm down and wait till it's on the drive!
>
> Best Regards
>
> MW


Nah, when it's there you can worry about how to afford keep in there. When
it's not you can worry about how your going to get it back there. Infact the
only time you'll stop worrying is between filling up and the arrival of the
statement ;o)

Lee D
--

www.lrproject.com

Workshop photos from Landrover repairs
& other such tinkerings.
Home of Percy the Jag powered Landrover



 
Why do you want seatbelts when they are not necessary, I do not believe
there is such a thing as a safe seatbelt for sideways passengers.

Incedentally how many people here wear seat belts when travelling by Taxi.

Now it is not that I am against seat belts because I have been saved from
injury by them in the past (though still banged my head) however there is a
trade off between practicality and necessity and chance.

My landie currently has one bench seat, one rearward facing seat and one
reconstructed back seat on top of a locker with very little headroom, none
of which have belts or require them.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"Mark Williamson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, I haven't even picked it up, and i am thinking of stuff i want to do
> with it.
>
> First one is fit seatbelts to the rear bench seats. Is it possible?
Kits
> out there somewhere in military spares world?
>
> Secondly, i will occasionally want to tow a civvy trailer, or caravan.
> Obviously I will need a drop plate of some kind, but I don't want a plough
> permanently bolted on the back. In my dim and distant memory I remember
an
> article in one of the comics, where a guy had build a drop plate that hung
> from the NATO hitch, with stays to tha chassis, much like RR / Disco drop
> plates. Did these go into production? Does anyone have the article in
> their back issues? Or is there another solution I am missing?
>
> Apologies if these have been asked before, but I have had a google, with
out
> much luck!
>
> Best Regards
>
> MW
>
>


 
Fair points, however I am part of an organisation that says all passengers
must have a seatbelt.

It will help them to stay in the vehicle, and I will know they are more
likely to stay sat down and not leer out the back.

May well look to the bus seats at some stage, but this will do for starters.

If the worst happens i doubt whether it will make a great deal of
difference either way.

MW

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Why do you want seatbelts when they are not necessary, I do not believe
> there is such a thing as a safe seatbelt for sideways passengers.
>
> Incedentally how many people here wear seat belts when travelling by Taxi.
>
> Now it is not that I am against seat belts because I have been saved from
> injury by them in the past (though still banged my head) however there is
> a
> trade off between practicality and necessity and chance.
>
> My landie currently has one bench seat, one rearward facing seat and one
> reconstructed back seat on top of a locker with very little headroom, none
> of which have belts or require them.
>
>
> --
> Larry
> Series 3 rust and holes
>
>
>
> "Mark Williamson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Well, I haven't even picked it up, and i am thinking of stuff i want to
>> do
>> with it.
>>
>> First one is fit seatbelts to the rear bench seats. Is it possible?
> Kits
>> out there somewhere in military spares world?
>>
>> Secondly, i will occasionally want to tow a civvy trailer, or caravan.
>> Obviously I will need a drop plate of some kind, but I don't want a
>> plough
>> permanently bolted on the back. In my dim and distant memory I remember
> an
>> article in one of the comics, where a guy had build a drop plate that
>> hung
>> from the NATO hitch, with stays to tha chassis, much like RR / Disco drop
>> plates. Did these go into production? Does anyone have the article in
>> their back issues? Or is there another solution I am missing?
>>
>> Apologies if these have been asked before, but I have had a google, with
> out
>> much luck!
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> MW
>>
>>
>
>


 
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:18:01 +0000 (UTC), "Mark Williamson"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Fair points, however I am part of an organisation that says all passengers
>must have a seatbelt.
>
>It will help them to stay in the vehicle, and I will know they are more
>likely to stay sat down and not leer out the back.
>
Or headbutt the driver at 40mph plus...
--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70
 
By the way, that was 2 questions... When do we get the other 99?
 
i don't expect they will be far behind!
"David French" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:david.not.spam.french-FD5303.23044121042005@no-dns-yet-212-23-3-119.zen.co.uk...
> By the way, that was 2 questions... When do we get the other 99?


 

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Why do you want seatbelts when they are not necessary, I do not believe
> there is such a thing as a safe seatbelt for sideways passengers.


Lap belts on the rear bench seats certainly stops the kids bouncing onto the
floor in our 101GS when we are off road :)




Paul





 
On or around Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:01:57 +0100, "Paul" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Why do you want seatbelts when they are not necessary, I do not believe
>> there is such a thing as a safe seatbelt for sideways passengers.
>
>
>Lap belts on the rear bench seats certainly stops the kids bouncing onto the
>floor in our 101GS when we are off road :)
>

good point. There's absolute safety and relative safety, and I reckon that
you're safer with a belt of most kinds than with no belt at all, in an
accident. Also, other people may be safer too.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 



"MVP" <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:21:34 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:01:57 +0100, "Paul" <[email protected]>
>>enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>
>>>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> Why do you want seatbelts when they are not necessary, I do not believe
>>>> there is such a thing as a safe seatbelt for sideways passengers.
>>>
>>>
>>>Lap belts on the rear bench seats certainly stops the kids bouncing onto
>>>the
>>>floor in our 101GS when we are off road :)
>>>
>>
>>good point. There's absolute safety and relative safety, and I reckon
>>that
>>you're safer with a belt of most kinds than with no belt at all, in an
>>accident. Also, other people may be safer too.
>
> I had 8 kids in the 110 the other week, including 4 on the rear bench
> seats with lap belts on, it struck me that in a crash having 7 or 8
> kids flailing and bouncing around inside was dangerous to say the
> least, at laest with the lap belts their flailing would be
> comparativly limited.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.

It was after one too many sudden stops with the kids in the back that made
me go and buy forward facing seats with proper seat belts.

I couldn't see how even having lap belts on the side bench seats would
protect the kids if we crashed.

Only problem is that I now have a 4 seat car instead of a 7 seater. But I
feel a lot happier with them strapped in properly.

Nigel
--
nigel@leginDOTorg
1979 Lightwieght


 
On or around Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:20:13 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>I had 8 kids in the 110 the other week, including 4 on the rear bench
>seats with lap belts on, it struck me that in a crash having 7 or 8
>kids flailing and bouncing around inside was dangerous to say the
>least, at laest with the lap belts their flailing would be
>comparativly limited.

I trust you're not doing "organised activities with children"...

sideways bench seats are non-legit for that, now. The scouts apparently
have trouble with this, as do I. Hence my bench seat in the back of the
disco, which does rather use most of the cargo space, I admit.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)
 
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:21:31 +0100, MVP wrote:

> The soon-to-buy disco will have the 2 seats in the rear but they'll
> be behind a dog-guard which makes me feel better ref stopping the
> kids flying aorund,

No sure that a dog guard would actually stop an unrestrained child
coming to vist the front of the car in a crash. I've not examined the
fixings of one but illustrations I've seen show not much more than a
plastic clip and a self tapper or two.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On or around Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:52:56 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:21:31 +0100, MVP wrote:
>
>> The soon-to-buy disco will have the 2 seats in the rear but they'll
>> be behind a dog-guard which makes me feel better ref stopping the
>> kids flying aorund,
>
>No sure that a dog guard would actually stop an unrestrained child
>coming to vist the front of the car in a crash. I've not examined the
>fixings of one but illustrations I've seen show not much more than a
>plastic clip and a self tapper or two.

The one I had in my disco was attached to the side panels by a couple of 6mm
bolts into captive nuts each side.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes]
 
MVP wrote:

> The soon-to-buy disco will have the 2 seats in the rear but they'll be
> behind a dog-guard which makes me feel better ref stopping the kids
> flying aorund, but again 99% of the time it'd be cargo or dogs in the
> rear anyway.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.

You're thinking of keeping the kids behind a dog guard - what a good idea!

 
Dougal wrote:

> You're thinking of keeping the kids behind a dog guard - what a good idea!

Depends on the kids and how many. I'd need to separate my two using the
dog guard.

Lizzy

 
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:52:32 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:

> The one I had in my disco was attached to the side panels by a
> couple of 6mm bolts into captive nuts each side.

Exactly, not a lot. Look at seat belt anchor points they are pretty
sturdy, 10mm or so into lots of metal...

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On or around Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:20:42 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:52:32 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> The one I had in my disco was attached to the side panels by a
>> couple of 6mm bolts into captive nuts each side.
>
>Exactly, not a lot. Look at seat belt anchor points they are pretty
>sturdy, 10mm or so into lots of metal...

seat belt anchor bolts are 7/16" UNF, but not necessarily of any special
quality. They're required to go into a reinforced point, or if put into a
plain panel such as a floor to have suitable reinforcement included.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 
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