Tracking and Steering wheel

[wammers]

If the box and drop arm is set The one that runs of the drop arm is ajustsble alowing to ajust near side wheel , and drag link is ajustsble at both ends but in therory sets drivers wheel no matter what end you ajust thus if you tighten you are towing out the wheel.

So what happens to the other wheel that is connected to it by the track rod?

 

[Grit Valve]

Ok let's say drop arm and box is inline yes the Drag link has one adjuster near the drop arm end so with no track rod connected tighten the drag link it turns the osw inward and lossen outwood it must move the nsw with steering wheel locked in position now if you move the steering wheel you can only move the left wheel and it is fixed in that position in relation to drop arm and steering wheel! Now add track rod
to nsw only and turn you have a fixed nsw turning in relation with steering wheel and drag link and an track rod scraping about on the floor following the nsw connections so we now have a nsw that is fixed because of the Drag link now add the other end to the osw and now you can ajust the osw if you alter any end of the track rodnyou are basically pulling in and out the osw.

 

[jamesmartin]

drag link is one connected to steering box ,track rod at rear can be made longer/shorter to alter toe in/out

 

[Grit Valve]

James yes in my frustration I have put the around the wrong way lol and have now corrected

 

[wammers]

Don't know why you are frustrated. Just follow the instructions i posted earlier. For quickest way of doing it.

 

[Grit Valve]

It's not me with the problem just frustrated that you say a car won't vere if wheel aliment is out.

 

[wammers]

It's not me with the problem just frustrated that you say a car won't vere if wheel aliment is out.

But it won't, what part of inclusive do you not understand. When you have the track set to 1/16" toe out you have 1/32" either side not just a 1/16" on one bloody wheel. The action of the wheels in this case being driven makes the wheels run parallel. If the front wheels were being pushed as in a rear wheel drive car they would toe in and be pushed out to run parallel. On a flat road, which is your senario. The action of the tyres on the road, steering geometry, castor angle, ackerman angles cause the steering to self centre distributing any tracking error evenly between the two wheels. So the car tracks straight but wears the tyres. It does not pull to one side or the other because the error is divided equally. Track error cannot cause the steering to veer BUT wear associated with it will.

 

[dogsbody]

Meanwhile, back at the original post -

Whenever I've had wear on the edge of ONE front tyre it's always been something associated with that wheel. Tracking has always caused damage to both front tyres.

It might make sense to get your tracking checked when you straighten your steering wheel but I'd have a good nose around the front right corner as well. Start with wheel bearings and work your way in, I'll lay a small bet that you'll find something.

 

[Grit Valve]

Meanwhile, back at the original post -

Whenever I've had wear on the edge of ONE front tyre it's always been something associated with that wheel. Tracking has always caused damage to both front tyres.

It might make sense to get your tracking checked when you straighten your steering wheel but I'd have a good nose around the front right corner as well. Start with wheel bearings and work your way in, I'll lay a small bet that you'll find something.

Funny that just phoned 3 indipendnt garages and there all saying it will drift rack and pinion or steering box do stalemate!

 

[SpacePig]

My car was steering left, Gave it to Land Rover they changed everything up to the steering GBox and the car was still steering left even on flat road, new tires and so on...Land Rover said... Normal behavior alignment done, your car is perfect
I went to two other so called Range Rover Specialist and they told me, your car steering left is normal, this how P38 were designed with an old steering design...

Then I believed them and keep having to keep my steering wheel slightly turned right to get straight.

One day I found a small, pathetic store who's was dealing in Range Rover only, and ask them to check my problem out. They fixed my car in just 15 minutes. I did not have to change anything... They just adjusted one of the bar below the car and done.

My conclusion is now simple, anyone telling you that it can't be fix (the car steering left of right) is just wrong (no offense to anyone)

 

[Grit Valve]

My car was steering left, Gave it to Land Rover they changed everything up to the steering GBox and the car was still steering left even on flat road, new tires and so on...Land Rover said... Normal behavior alignment done, your car is perfect
I went to two other so called Range Rover Specialist and they told me, your car steering left is normal, this how P38 were designed with an old steering design...

Then I believed them and keep having to keep my steering wheel slightly turned right to get straight.

One day I found a small, pathetic store who's was dealing in Range Rover only, and ask them to check my problem out. They fixed my car in just 15 minutes. I did not have to change anything... They just adjusted one of the bar below the car and done.

My conclusion is now simple, anyone telling you that it can't be fix (the car steering left of right) is just wrong (no offense to anyone)

Thank you I'm not mad then

 

[dogsbody]

Funny that just phoned 3 indipendnt garages and there all saying it will drift rack and pinion or steering box do stalemate!

Got a PROTYRE near you?

 

[SpacePig]

Thank you I'm not mad then

Don't worry, I was in the same situation for the past 7 month... It turned me MAD... Oh and now I am forcing Land Rover to refund me the invoice I had to pay for their so call "Work"

 

[JohnnyCrash]

Right, bl**dy ell guys

Thanks for all your input, and Wammers I think you will find they set Nascar up with toe in/out massively different on one side so they always steer left?

This weekend I'll take a trip out spend a small amount of cash and we can settle this! until then Hush!!

 

[wammers]

Thank you I'm not mad then

For christ sake the track being out as long as there are no other defects WILL NOT cause the car to wander. But eventually the wear caused by the track being out WILL. On a P38 the steering box not being centralised WILL cause the car to wander even if the track is set correctly. You CANNOT have one wheel toeing out and one running parallel, in motion the error is distributed evenly between BOTH wheels. Therefore there is a equal and opposite cancelling force being applied. Causing the vehicle to run straight but wear the tyres, either inside to outside for too much toe out, or outside to inside, for too much toe in. Think you had better go and do some more reading.

 

[wammers]

Right, bl**dy ell guys

Thanks for all your input, and Wammers I think you will find they set Nascar up with toe in/out massively different on one side so they always steer left?

This weekend I'll take a trip out spend a small amount of cash and we can settle this! until then Hush!!

Bull****. That is the reason you ask questions on here and people like me answer them. You cannot set toe in or out on steerable wheels to make the car run in any particular direction the force of the wheel on the road will equalise the error across the axle.

 

[dogsbody]

Nascar up with toe in/out massively different on one side so they always steer left?

No they play with camber, corner weighting, brake balance, shock settings, anti-roll bars but not tracking.

 

[JohnnyCrash]

No they play with camber, corner weighting, brake balance, shock settings, anti-roll bars but not tracking.

it's not F1 it's far simpler than that! the brakes almost do not work at all! They certainly don't bother with brake balance valves! while racing they never use them anyway? (Watch when they come in to pit and find out they can’t stop! And overshoot by miles) yes camber plays a big part but because they race around an oval they only ever turn left and holding the wheel straight you turn left! they steer lightly right on the straight. The set up varies massively left side to right, and if they only set up the camber without adjusting the toe for left only turning they would all scrub off the same edge and all have blow outs or loose grip? The right hand front tyre has the most pressure from the car on it and to keep the largest contact area on the black stuff needs to have much more negative camber than the left and also needs to “toe in” more.

 

[Grit Valve]

I give up now your on about wander a totally different affect
Wander is like snaking vere/ drift is in one direction FFs your supposed to be the intelligent one wammers and I'm the dunce

 

[wammers]

it's not F1 it's far simpler than that! the brakes almost do not work at all! They certainly don't bother with brake balance valves! while racing they never use them anyway? (Watch when they come in to pit and find out they can’t stop! And overshoot by miles) yes camber plays a big part but because they race around an oval they only ever turn left and holding the wheel straight you turn left! they steer lightly right on the straight. The set up varies massively left side to right, and if they only set up the camber without adjusting the toe for left only turning they would all scrub off the same edge and all have blow outs or loose grip? The right hand front tyre has the most pressure from the car on it and to keep the largest contact area on the black stuff needs to have much more negative camber than the left and also needs to “toe in” more.

For christ sake you can make a car have bias to one side by changing the castor and camber angles but you cannot do it by changing the tracking. We are not talking a bloody Nascar motor here, i thought the question was about a P38. Steerable wheels automatically self centre, why the hell do you think you have to drive the car forwards a couple of car lengths to get them pointing straight ahead before you set the track or adjust the steering wheel centering? Any tracking error is equalised across the axle by the wheels acting on the road. You ask a question, get the answer then start arguing the toss, if your so bloody clever why ask at all.