VERY URGENT: help needed

Hi All,

Can anyone tell me what is underneath the screw which is to hold the engine cover? It is the one which is left hand in front of the oil lid. I am very concerned that it damaged my engine.

Kind Regards
Matthias

Pic 2 sorry didn't work to upload more than one from ipad.

timing chain it will spray oil out when theres no bolt in the hole

jamesmartin said:

timing chain it will spray oil out when theres no bolt in the hole

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Thanks James. Does it mean that it is meant to be that way that there is coming oil out?

Background to it:
I thought it might sound bit silly in the first bit, but when I got another engine cover (used) a bit ago the original screw wasn't there anymore as i took it off and that guy from LR in DE took another 'normal' one. When I took the cover off another time the screw looked like in the picture below.

When I took of the cover this morning to go for the turbo boost sole. and came back from a test drive I first thought the oil underneath the bonnet would have been from the solenoid hose I'd taken off and didn't pay anymore attention to it. Then I checked my maf and disconnected it. After another test drive, still having the same problem with the 4th gear I wanted to connect again the maf again and was surprised that the oil was all over again. I had a closer look and it seemed, when running the engine, the oil would be coming out of the whole of screw, left, in front of the oil lid. it looked like a little fountain. I called my wife to sit in and accelerate to see if I am correct and the oil seem to come of that whole where the screw should be in. I took one screw of the one that guy from LR for it used and screwed it in while the engine was still running. the fountain stopped but there was a scratching noise from underneath the screw.. I screwed it out immediately again and the screw looked like the other one which was in before.

The one screw looked like that since I first took it off with the lid. I thought to. Order an original one, but that LR guy said it wouldn't be a problem. I felt in the last month that it sound a bit odd from inside, but didn't think anything about it. Does that mean there might be some metal pieces somewhere inside now? How could I get off? Can I clean/wash it out of the engine somehow?

chain will throw oil out when engines running if bolts missing but it looks like your fitting too long bolt ,drain the oil and refill with fresh and a new filter,

jamesmartin said:

chain will throw oil out when engines running if bolts missing but it looks like your fitting too long bolt ,drain the oil and refill with fresh and a new filter,

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Yes, I agree. That' s still the one the guy from LR fitted in, so I didn't think anything would be wrong with it. I still have the original one here and will fit it again. Thanks a lot. Can I drive to garage for oil change?

Do you know which torx I need for the original bolt? Is it e5 as my e6 seems to big for it.

mbrokof said:

Do you know which torx I need for the original bolt? Is it e5 as my e6 seems to big for it.

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They are Allen keys on mine, or hexagon head sockets to be more precise.

Hi Matthias.
It looks like the cover as been pierced with the wrong bolt, to long a couple of the R75 members had this problem make sure it as not cracked the fixing point where the bolts enters.

A solution could be this using a plastic number plate bolts cut down and a slot sawn into the end as in the photo's below, screw the plastic plug in so far and then use a smaller bolts also as in pic below, if you would like to try this then send me your name and address and I will post some of these of to you FOC cheers Arctic.

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Use the plastic plug to screw so far in thus blocking the oil from spurting back out, then use the small bolt to hold the engine cover in place
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Arctic2 said:

Hi Matthias.
It looks like the cover as been pierced with the wrong bolt, to long a couple of the R75 members had this problem make sure it as not cracked the fixing point where the bolts enters.

A solution could be this using a plastic number plate bolts cut down and a slot sawn into the end as in the photo's below, screw the plastic plug in so far and then use a smaller bolts also as in pic below, if you would like to try this then send me your name and address and I will post some of these of to you FOC cheers Arctic.

Use the plastic plug to screw so far in thus blocking the oil from spurting back out, then use the small bolt to hold the engine cover in place
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Hi Arctic,

Thanks a lot. Will do. At the moment i am concerned if that part of the bolt which is missing damaged the engine resp. if I can drive to the garage. Have an oil filter here but no drain pan. Maybe that plastic bolts with the 'normal' ones might be a solution. I am still not sure why LR made that move. I was thinking maybe if to lift the gasket. Anything doesn't make sense to me.

Guess I buy some more liqui moly stuff if I can find it engine flush plus or so
KR
Matthias

That's not the right style of bolt

For the smaller engine cover then there is a M6 flanged head bolt about 20mm long used in that position

td4van said:

That's not the right style of bolt

For the smaller engine cover then there is a M6 flanged head bolt about 20mm long used in that position

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I agree with the above, but someone along the line of working on or owning the car as used a longer bolt and pierced the cover, under pressure it will spurt oil unless you plug it in my opinion, the plastic one in my previous post as been known to work in the past on the R75 M47 engine when this as happened, Arctic2

Arctic2 said:

I agree with the above, but someone along the line of working on or owning the car as used a longer bolt and pierced the cover, under pressure it will spurt oil unless you plug it in my opinion, the plastic one in my previous post as been known to work in the past on the R75 M47 engine when this as happened, Arctic2

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bolt hole isnt supposed to be blind and with no bolt it will spray oil out but not under pressure the timing chain runs under it

jamesmartin said:

bolt hole isnt supposed to be blind and with no bolt it will spray oil out but not under pressure the timing chain runs under it

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I am now as on my FL1 and on the R75 tourer I had the hole was blind, and you could run /rev the engine no oil came out of the hole if not bolt was in or the engine cover was not fitted ? Arctic2

Hi, when I first got my Freelander the engine acoustic cover was missing and a loose bolt was in this hole, so I put a nut on the bolt to restrict the thread length to 10-13mm, put some sealer on the thread and screwed it back in then nipped the nut to lock the bolt in position. Months later and it's still fine. This hole is for a stud which holds the acoustic cover on. This mounting hole should have been a blind hole but it's not (or is it on some?) - if it was a blind hole oil would not leak.
You have screwed a screw in that is too long, it has hit the timing chain and worn away the thread, oh dear! The steel filings from the screw will all be stuck to the magnetic sump plug, in the oil filter and in a few corners out of the way. Engines are designed to handle metal particles internally keeping them out of harms way and yours has probably already sorted these filings out. At this stage it would be better to run the engine to make sure the bits end up where they should be then change the oil and filter, no rush, it'll be ok. If the engine runs quiet enough there will probably be no timing chain area damage. Good luck.

I don't believe that the hole should leak, mine doesn't. Likely that some one screwed to long a bolt in at some point and put a hole in the rocker cover. Sure you can seal it easily enough as others have said.

Nobody has mentioned potential damage to the timing chain.....

if it has been rubbing against a screw for some time then i would be worried about it having suffered damage......

MoreWork said:

Hi, when I first got my Freelander the engine acoustic cover was missing and a loose bolt was in this hole, so I put a nut on the bolt to restrict the thread length to 10-13mm, put some sealer on the thread and screwed it back in then nipped the nut to lock the bolt in position. Months later and it's still fine. This hole is for a stud which holds the acoustic cover on. This mounting hole should have been a blind hole but it's not (or is it on some?) - if it was a blind hole oil would not leak.
You have screwed a screw in that is too long, it has hit the timing chain and worn away the thread, oh dear! The steel filings from the screw will all be stuck to the magnetic sump plug, in the oil filter and in a few corners out of the way. Engines are designed to handle metal particles internally keeping them out of harms way and yours has probably already sorted these filings out. At this stage it would be better to run the engine to make sure the bits end up where they should be then change the oil and filter, no rush, it'll be ok. If the engine runs quiet enough there will probably be no timing chain area damage. Good luck.

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Thanks, yes got that told when talking to LR boss of the guy who used the too long bolt. He told me that it shouldn't be a prob as oil filter should have caught the particles. Bought some Liqui Moly engine cleaner and will flush, then change filter and oil again. Hope that solves it.

digby said:

Nobody has mentioned potential damage to the timing chain.....

if it has been rubbing against a screw for some time then i would be worried about it having suffered damage......

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Talked about that to LR guys as above mentioned, as well as I thought that might have happened. He said the timing chain is hardened and shouldn't have got any damage as the bolt is 'softer' and therefore got. damaged as in the picture. Hope that's true but it makes somehow sense to me. Was just worried, that there are no bigger parts floating around in the engine as the bolt was damaged in no time, so I thought it might have been torn of in one piece. Changed the bolt to what I thought would be the orignal one. Have attached a foto. Needs change still, as the upper thread is damaged, causing it to come off completely.

roccotune said:

I don't believe that the hole should leak, mine doesn't. Likely that some one screwed to long a bolt in at some point and put a hole in the rocker cover. Sure you can seal it easily enough as others have said.

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It might depend on the year. Mine is MY06 and oil definitely comes out of the hole if the screw / bolt is missing. On mine the fixing is an Allen type.