Vcu propshaft separation woes

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Alibro

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As i mentioned previously i removed the propshaft as soon as i got my new hippo home. Well today i decided to take it apart to send the vcu for repair but things didn't go well. The rear propshaft came off nice and easily as it had already been replaced but the front was a complete bitch. I followed hippos tutorial to the letter but it took a lot of heat and some serious ignorance with a crow bar and a lump hammer to seperate them. The universal joint is going to need replaced as either my workmanship or the vcu being solid has left it in bad shape.

So the question is, has anyone ever replaced just the joint or am i better to replace the whole shaft?

Cheers
Ali
 
Thanks for your replies guys but I was talking about the universal joint/knuckle thing that was on the receiving end of my violence and blow torch, the one at the VCU.
In your 'How To' Hippo you say to remove the shoulder thing from the bolt, screw the bolt back in a bit then use it to lever the propshaft off with a cold chisel. I tried this but it didn't happen easily and it took a lot of heat and thumping to make it shift.
I didn't cause much visible damage but the joint is not as smooth in operation now as the other one.
 
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Thanks for your replies guys but I was talking about the universal joint/knuckle thing that was on the receiving end of my violence and blow torch, the one at the VCU.

The joint joining the VCU to front prop is I think a regular universal joint (others will correct me if I a wrong) If so, it can be dismantled and renewed fairly easily though the old yokes can take a lot of forcing out. I did one on the rear end of the prop myself. You need a good vice a lots of patience - and a good make replacement. There are lots of internet videos on replacing UJs - do a YouTube search.

I know how hard the front VCU joints are difficult to get out - I broke two chisels on mine but eventually it freed.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for your replies guys but I was talking about the universal joint/knuckle thing that was on the receiving end of my violence and blow torch, the one at the VCU.
In your 'How To' Hippo you say to remove the shoulder thing from the bolt, screw the bolt back in a bit then use it to lever the propshaft off with a cold chisel. I tried this but it didn't happen easily and it took a lot of heat and thumping to make it shift.
I didn't cause much visible damage but the joint is not as smooth in operation now as the other one.
Had a number of people struggle with this. Yer need to set the bolt so yer can get the end of the cold chisel on or past the bolt head then lever against the part of the prop holding the UJ. It's made more difficult if the cold chisel is the bigger type. Once yer lever it oft a bit yer can put the cold chisel all the way through. Yer can then undo the bolt a few turns at a time and put the cold chisel through again. Problem is yer need to miss the UJ and the prop part which holds it in place, on the other side.

To be frank the prop will more likely be rusted onto the vcu. Soaking it in penetrating oil will help. Heat is an option but heat can expand both the prop and the end of the vcu. So it may not work. It was difficult when I first did mine so I can appreciate the hassle yer had. Hence creating the How To to help others.

It's strange this should pop up now. I fitted a vcu the other day and filmed this bit to add to me How To as it's a concern I have due to too many people having problems with it. It's difficult to put into words so a video may help. Update will be added this month.
 
I'll have a look for the uj replacement videos, my son who's 6'4" and a big strong lad had a go at taking it apart but couldn't get the yoke to move more than a few mm.
When taking the prop off I was using a crow bar with a bend at the end so it fitted nicely but the bu@@er was siezed solid. Even bashing it with a 4 pound hammer wouldn't shift it so i had to resort to heat. I don't know it that damaged the uj but it probably didn't help. It's no big issue as I'm happy going mondo mode for now anyway.
 
I'll have a look for the uj replacement videos, my son who's 6'4" and a big strong lad had a go at taking it apart but couldn't get the yoke to move more than a few mm.

Penetrating oil does get in in the end if you leave it long enough - I nearly gave up on mine but a good soaking made all the difference
 
Penetrating oil does get in in the end if you leave it long enough - I nearly gave up on mine but a good soaking made all the difference

Cheers Gareth, I'll give that a try

if you want to pay loads go to the landrover dealer in Enniskillen ,very helpful though!

LOL, Want to pay loads? Me? Don't think so! I'm an ebay/amazon slut I am. :D

Mind you I had to laugh, last night I was looking for a new rear door lock mechanism as the rear window ain't going back up properly after closing the door (the previous owner's solution was to pull out the plug) so I went straight to ebay and was seeing prices up to £30 + p&p. Googled it and found two places selling brand new ones for around £29 + VAT, and one of them was Rimmers!!!!!
Why would you be stupid enough to buy a 2nd hand one which may or may not be good for near enough the same as a new one.
 
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Changed my bearings this morning, the front one was tight. I put a 9" angle grinder through the old bearing to give me room to hit the back of the yoke with a good hammer and drift, came off ok then.
 
I Will be changing the whole system this weekend front propshaft VCU and rear propshaft I will start my own thread with photo's once I get down to it cheers Arctic2
 

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a few things to ponder when replacing UJs and bearings.

Firsts of all you are replacing the bearings. There is no need to get them out intact. They have no pre-loved value whatsoever.

That means the VCU bearings are best removed by cutting with an angle grinder.

And in the past on other cars I have literally smashed the brittle case hardened outer shell of UJs with a cold chisel.

to get a UJ back into the yokes consists in taking the outer shells off the spider completely being careful to retain all your balls. Especially if newly wed. Then carefully press one shell into one of the yokes using a vice and ultimately a socket to push it just below the yoke surface so you can refit the circlip.

Then fit the spider to that and using the vice and socket push the other shell in.

Then repeat for the other yoke.

You CAN use this way to get the old bearings out but not the whole way in my experience. if you can't then grab the bearing outer shell in a vice to remove it that way, which buggers it anyway, the only recourse is to smash it.

As far as VCU bearings go, just carve the buggers off with a grinder and then spilt them.

As Hippos says the difficult part is splitting the centre yokes from the VCU, and that takes a lot of pressure and penetrating oil. Heat is not a good idea when you have oil filled bearings and rubber seals nearby.

A videos I saw used the centre bolts into the VCU together with a spacer to use the unscrew thrust of the bolt that holds em together to force them apart. Essentially jam something between the bolt head and the UJ spider, and continue unscrewing the bolt - as it comes out it forces the yoke off the shaft.

This will not be as easy as it sounds. genle heat on the shaft and yoke followed by penetrating oil to cool it may help some.


So too will massively hard blows along the shaft axis on the yoke itself. Again use a spacer to avoid damaging the yoke between the hammer and the yoke...

I think I would say that in the end, although brute force on a puller is the least damaging way to split components apart, the actual force required is massive and often harder to apply that some well placed thwacks with a hammer and cold chisel.

So the general technique should be first to try as much heat as the components will safely stand, and spray penetrating oil on the things too, then try the puller methods first, and the, preferably with tension on the puller, tap and than bang away at the component.

And never be afraid to destroy what you are going to replace, anyway.
 
I changed all the propshaft yesterday and had no trouble what so ever parting the shafts from the VCU nor the VCU bearings which I reused as they are not that old and of good quality so I am led to believe but I will most certainly be looking for some GKN ones if available.
 

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