de-cat pipe does NOT increase MPG

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swampy177

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Well it probably does but it sounds so awesome with a de-cat pipe and a middle silencer replacement pipe that i just floor it everywhere now :D once again i love driving i just wish it was faster lol but oh well cant have the best of both worlds and i would definatly rather go anywhere than fast ;)
 
you should notice it once the newness has wore off and your not flooring it everywhere it won't save you loads but i found that you can use the extra power and not use any more juice as you would without the extra power but i only have the de-catt pipe on so with removing the middle silancer may not save you much in fuel, i am thinking of doing the same how is the noise is it a lot louder or just a bit does it effect towing with the middle box replaced with a pipe. i was behind a defender yesterday which i think had no middle box and all i could here was the turbo even at idle it sounded great.

graham
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98 d1 300tdi auto.
 
I reckon I have done about 8 of these now and all have improved mpg by about 10%.


However I find that when combined with a straight-thru centre section it takes away the mpg benefit.
 
Yes i find it does sound lovely, it has burble to it and there is a whistle too obviously from the turbo but it makes it sound great it even turns heads now :D:D

So now i have removed the centre box it shouldnt be as economical as what it was before ?? Oh dear how come when i am debating wether to put it on everyone says " it will make your landrover more economical " and then when i put it on its "oh it wont really " :(
 
Ok - I don't get this ??? I've been involved with high powered tubo engines for years ,,, am I missin some thin ? As far as I'm aware having an exhaust with no cat an no silencer boxes will allow gasses to leave the system faster (good thing) any removal of anything inhibiting gasses leaving the engine can only improve turbo performance - the last thing you want is a build up of pressure In the exhaust manifold caused by exhaust restrictions and hindering burnt gasses from freely leaving the cylinders - the faster gasses can leave the exhaust the faster a turbo can spool up unhindered by back pressure - if I had my way I'd take the exhaust off an just use the turbo itself as a silencer :)
that's how I understand it anyway
 
likewise thats what i was thinking , but it needs to get in as fast as its getting out and just had a looksie at the airfilter and its decided to , well , eat itself :eek: part of the filter has turned inside out so need a new one asap , i think it was from going to cowm pay and play last sunday looks like its had water in there which isnt to good !! :doh:
 
exhausts generate back pressure, keeping the gasses in the cylinders for longer. This is sometimes necessary.

If your engine is not capable of correcting the mixture on-the-fly, then by removing the back pressure (by straightening the exhaust, removing the centre box, removing it entirely etc...) you might end up running too lean. (Too much air, not enough fuel). This will cause your combustion to burn hotter.

If your vehicle is capable of dealing with the increase airflow through the cylinders, then I guess it shouldn't be an issue, and more fuel should be shoved in there with the air to keep the mixture at the correct ratio.

Therefore... if you remove the center box of the exhaust, you will reduce back pressure. you will therefore burn more fuel because the MAF meter will detect more air passing through and will therefore put more fuel in.

If you still have a centre box and a cat, however, but your cat is collapsed and/or blocked, then you will could be running rich (not enough airflow). In reality, though, the MAF meter will detect lower airflow and put in less fuel, causing you to have to rev harder to achieve the same goal.

So... with a collapsed/blocked cat, you are having to push the accelerator harder to achieve the same goal (burning more fuel), and with no cat and no centre box the airflow is increased and you are using more fuel, but not necessarily with any power gain.

With the cat removed, but the center box still in place, you are allowing more air to pass through, but not too much, so making the balance a little "nicer".

I think this makes sense, anyway... from my basic understanding of the four stroke cycle!! :D

Oh, and i'm no expert on landy's in particular, nor engines - this is just from my understanding, so please correct me if i'm wrong!! I'm keen to learn here too :D
 
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Again, I agree with Fishsponge.
The route I went down was :-
1, remove viscous fan & fit Kenlowe - one hell of a lot smoother & , I reckon, 10% improvement in MPG.
2, Dynachip re-map - THIS YOU GOTTA DO!! It totally transforms the motor.( you know how LR's only pull between 2k & 3k revs. The re-map makes the turbo cut in @ 1.5k rpm to 5+k rpm.)
3, De-EGR - slight improvement.
4, Lastly De-Cat, highly recommended - got that lovely Turbo whistle now.
 
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Hi, from my youth (how old am I? Lol) I would agree with fishsponge, the other question to ask, is the money you spend on sounding a lot better, including that slight extra acceleration :) we all love it, worth the cost from your pocket in the long run?

Night, I must get some sleep...
 
De cat deffo improved my mpg -pushing 30 mpg now,whereas before 24 mpg max,sometimes 22mpg,but this is running 100% bio homebrew,usually get less mpg on bio-I guess my cat was blocked/collapsed.Also when the engine has warmed up it can hold its own at traffic lights now on take off.97 300 tdi
 
so... here's my logic...

towing is no different to driving up a hill... your engine simply has to move more weight around. If your vehicle is heavier (by going up a hill, or by having a trailer/caravan attached), then you will be working the engine harder and therefore putting more air and fuel in on each revolution.

If your mixture is wrong (running lean or rich), then the effect on MPG will be noticed more because you're getting through your "measurement material" (fuel and air) much faster and therefore running the "miles per gallon" experiment at an accelerated rate.

So... if your modifications cause you to lose MPG, you'll lose even more than you would normally when towing.

If, on the other hand, your modifications cause you to gain MPG, you'll lose less than you would normally when towing.

All because when towing, you're effectively running the MPG experiment much faster by putting more air and fuel in each time, because you're having to rev harder.

That's my logic, anyway... someone, please tell me if i'm talking crap - i'm starting to ramble on about it now, and I'm not entirely sure i'm 100% correct!!!!!!!!!
 
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Are car exhausts non-resonant?

Some exhast systems (bike etc) are tuned to resonate with the exhaust pulses and will improve the gas flow by effectively 'sucking' the gas out of the cylinder when the valve opens. By removing so much of the pipe system, could it upset the flow ina negative way??

Just thinking out loud

Dave
 
I know nothing about resonance, but I have heard from many classic motorcycle enthusiasts that the length of the exhaust is important. I can only assume this is either for back pressure or resonance, or both. I can't offer any more than that though, i'm afraid!

I guess, in theory, it could upset the resonance...
 
so out of interest what happens if you remove the cat and middle box, on a disco like mine, that has no air flow meter at all. mines a 1994 300tdi manual.?
 
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