Paint advice please

Al2O3 · Apr 23, 2014

A moderator may want to move this thread, wasn't sure which forum it suited and as I'm working on a defender I put it in here.

Stripped my Landy and next step is to clean bits, paint and put them back on the new galv chassis.

A few questions, some of which may seem basic

I was contemplating painting radius arms, trailing arms etc with a hammerite, but have been told Triflow paint is better. On google it only seems to be available from Irish DIY shops. Ronseal seem to have bought them out and sell a product called No Rust, is it the same in the Ronseal brand? does any one know anything about Triflow or where to get it? Anything better?

Why is red oxide so good as a primer? Are there different makes/better makes of red oxide?

What should I paint the underside of the tub, wings etc with? Presuming black, rubbery stone chip resistant, but don't know what.

For my galv chassis, is etch primer the same stuff as T wash. Do you just brush this on? One coat, 2 coats etc.

Any other tips, processes, products recommended for the fine art of good long lasting painting?

I'm ok with tools, but art work I'm not so hot with.

Hozza · Apr 23, 2014

I'm currently doing the same job. I'm no expert but may give you some help?
personally, I don't like hammerite, I find it doesn't adhere that well. Sorry, don't know about Triflow/No rust.

I have just finished my front axle, used paint stripper, then removed the soft paint with a wire brush on a drill. Most of the axle casing had a rusty layer under the paint, so removed excess rust then painted rusty bits with a rust converter (Vactan, this is a primer as well). Then used a normal primer on the non rusty bits, then painted with a black (agricultural) paint.

I don't know what to do the underside of the tub with either? Stone chip is an option but could be expensive, I'm thinking some sort of bitumen....

T wash and etch primer aren't the same but either can be used, Marslands told me to use etch but think I'll T wash.

Hozza · Apr 23, 2014

ps. just done a search on ebay and a 'Plastidip' looks just the job for tub underside

arc · Apr 23, 2014

Personally I despise hammerite these days. A decade or so ago it did what it said on the tin, nowadays to comply with modern VOC rules the composition has changed and it is watery rubbish that goes on too thin and gives little to no corrosion protection. But I know some on here swear by it still.

Given the choice I'd use rustoleum combicolor for hardware type bits / chassis. Available in RAL colours and sprays on well to a smooth hard finish.

I used bondo zinc rich primer. Very happy with the results.

Treat rust with one of the Bilt Hamber products. Excellent in my experience.

I used tetrasyl schutz on the underside of my tub but with a little research I' confident i could choose a better product next time.

And as for stripping axles of paint, an angle grinder with twist knot brush is your friend. plus ear muffs, a face shield and long sleeves to protect from the loose wires trying to embed themselves in your face/arms.

Al2O3 · Apr 23, 2014

Thanks guys, a few products to check out there. I've been reading Aaron's 90 Rebuild (round 2), great read. Aaron is using the rustoleum and I think with red oxide as a primer. Red oxide seems to be popular as a primer.

greyhair · Apr 23, 2014

Al203 said:
Thanks guys, a few products to check out there. I've been reading Aaron's 90 Rebuild (round 2), great read. Aaron is using the rustoleum and I think with red oxide as a primer. Red oxide seems to be popular as a primer.

Agree with the rustoleum mate just doing my rebuild rear axel and other bits painted
its really good stuff, and yes I got the idea from Aaron

pants007 · Apr 23, 2014

Eastwood do some great products for chassis and parts, rust converter and chasis black! I paited a rear axel case from a mg midget last year and used KBS coating system it looked fantastic flows out painting with a brush. But for protection you cant beat epoxy i have found. Look up Joten (jotenmastic 87) although they have produced better since i used them last!

Al2O3 · Apr 23, 2014

For protection do you mean for under the tub and wheel arches?

Barbados · Apr 24, 2014

Though it won't face any heat, I used calliper paint which is enamel and bonds very strong. Has different colours too, don't know if you blokes can find that in the UK.

flat · Apr 24, 2014

Rust oleum seconded by me.

For protection underneath underbody dinitrol stuff is good

pants007 · Apr 24, 2014

Protection i mean it wont rust for years! if its good enourgh for oil rigs and under water application must be good for landys! oh and dentirol for inside chassis.

Al2O3 · Apr 25, 2014

I'll look that lot up and hopefully get some bought this weekend. Cheers all!

ebbadger · Apr 25, 2014

don't use stonechip on the tub.... vibration will have it flaking off in six months its awful stuff

cheers steve

Al2O3 · Apr 26, 2014

Thanks for all the advice so far. It's a bit mind blowing cos I've no experience with painting.
My situation is this. I've no painting gear at all, except some brushed the Mrs does the house with

My garage is really small, was full of gear before and now has a lot of the Landy in it and the new galv chassis on its side.
My plan (if you can call it that) was to paint the underside and bits myself - hadn't thought it through. Then get the upper done in a local paint shop. Went to YRM in Durham to buy some parts and the lad's Landy there had lovely yellow radius arms and I thought nice! Ideas started to form about painting mine red to match the vehicle colour. Saw Aaron spraying his blue in his rebuild thread and was even more inspired!

So, given my resources

what's the best way forward to rust inhibit/prime then paint radius arms, trailing arms, track rods, shock mounts etc. (to red)

And then the axles and underside with something black.

Sorry to be a pain, but out of my depth with painting at the moment. Lots to learn.

pants007 · Apr 26, 2014

Hi! so looks like your choice is brush of spray can. Have a look at frost.co.uk

DIY - Remove and Treat Rust with Eastwood - YouTube

Eastwood do a system see video that i have used which is easy to do and long lasting! it is fairly expensive but give a nice finish. That would be for your axels etc!

Also they do 2k epoxy primer in cans which would be good for your smaller parts, although im not sure of what kind of red paint to use over it as i would use my airless sprayer but any paint shop can mix you a red paint in a spray can!

2K AeroSpray Epoxy Primer Grey | Frost Auto Restoration Techniques

Al2O3 · Apr 26, 2014

Shenton24 - I hope you read this mate, I didn't want to post any more about my paint job on Aaron's rebuild thread. Thanks for the info about mixing the rustoleum. I think my best bet is to follow pants007 suggestion above and go for a 2k epoxy primer from a spray can, then spray can over that for the rioja red finish to the radius arms etc. Will go for the rustoleum black straight on to the axles after I've cleaned them up.
Many thanks lads.

Al2O3 · May 11, 2014

After much deliberation and Pants007 opening my eyes to a number of different products I've bought a rust inhibitor called aquasteel.

It created a rock hard black finish. I've put a couple of coats of red oxide on since the picture was taken.

aaronmorris · May 11, 2014

Al203 said:
After much deliberation and Pants007 opening my eyes to a number of different products I've bought a rust inhibitor called aquasteel.

It created a rock hard black finish. I've put a couple of coats of red oxide on since the picture was taken.

They look like they came up well mate

Al2O3 · May 11, 2014

Cheers, Aaron.

Axles are getting Rustoleum once the seals are changed on the swivels.
Slowly getting there. Working on the drive, so very weather dependent.

aaronmorris · May 11, 2014

Al203 said:
Cheers, Aaron.

Axles are getting Rustoleum once the seals are changed on the swivels.
Slowly getting there. Working on the drive, so very weather dependent.

Nowt a tarp cant sort out

or I have used a gazebo if it isn't to windy.

At least I've got a garage to work in, Albeit very small and when it's fully build you can't move. But for the start of the build I can manage and better than being outside.

Oh and get a build thread started

I likes to read a good build thread.

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