Low coolant sensor

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Some time ago I fitted a low coolant alarm to my GT40. My version just had a simple switch to warning light, but suffers from false alarms as the coolant sloshes around in the header tank. As this has been recently discussed on the form, I have written this up, most of which has been blatantly plagiarized from an Aussie forum and then anglicized and includes instruction on how to fit a "slugging circuit" so that it does not react quite so quickly, but quick enough if you have problems - ideal for Freelander owners..

In our Land Rover engines, the water pump draws coolant in through the bottom radiator hose and pushes the coolant from this hose up through the engine and out through the thermostat housing into the top radiator hose. If the coolant level was low it will show up in both the radiator and the expansion tank, before a low level was experienced in the thermostat housing or top radiator hose (whilst the water pump is operating). It would only be when the pump was stopped that the low coolant level would be equal in both the expansion tank, thermostat housing and radiator. This is in fact done deliberately by most manufacturers to ensure that the engine receives its full level of coolant whilst in operation, even if the system is a little low. The low level is carried in the radiator, not in the engine. Only when the level is so low that it falls below the level of the water pump (causing the pump to cavitate) will the engine not be full of coolant whilst the pump is operating.

This is the system for the majority of engines. A very few have a reverse coolant flow where the thermostat is mounted below the water pump, and the pump pushes coolant down into the bottom radiator hose, up through the radiator and into the engine. In this system coolant level is ultra critical because any low level is carried in the engine (at cylinder head level) and the radiator will always remain full whilst the pump is in operation.

The expansion tank is the most convenient of the correct places to install a sensor and some people will go down the route of using one of those Range Rover caps that incorporated a level sensor. However, the Rangie cap sensor has proved to be quite temperamental, so a more reliable solution is needed. Enter the simple and effective float switch to be found on Welcome to rswww.com - pn 317-932. - here.

Here’s the coolant level sensor, a straightforward level switch, easy to install with minimal chance of gremlins:

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Installing the switch was easy, simply drill a 23mm hole in the side of the plastic expansion tank, screw in the sensor and wire it up:

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Here it is installed in a 200tdi Defender:

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Here’s one installed in a TD5:

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And another one in a Series II Disco:

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The sensor is just a switch, and as it is it’d work fine in an on-road vehicle, but our vehicles may occasionally spend some time at a slight angle, or bouncing around a bit. This would inevitably lead to false alarms as the coolant sloshes around in the tank giving the sensor a hard time. Obviously what is needed is some sort of time delay. At this point I copied the circuit from the Aussie forum. They put together a simple and robust little circuit from fairly commonly available components that achieves our objective i.e., a short (adjustable) delay before the alarm is triggered to prevent false signals when off road.

Firstly, here’s the circuit diagram:

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Finally, here’s the description of the circuit for those of you who wish to replicate it:

This circuit is setup to provide an adjustable delay from the sensor located in the header tank when the level drops.
It works using a basic 555ic timer circuit. When the ignition source is initially turned on pin 2 is triggered via a short pulse from the C2 and R2 combination. This then allows C1 to charge via VR1 and R1. If the tank switch is closed (the tank is full) C1 is held to ground and a small current flows through R1,VR1 and the tank switch.
This will remain like this until the tank switch is opened or the ignition is turned off.

In the event that the tank switch opens C1 will begin to charge through VR1 and R1. When C1 gets to 60% of the ignition voltage pin 3 on the 555ic will be grounded causing Rly1 to turn on and sound the alarm or light a warning light.

A suppressor was added inline with the supply to prevent false alarms when heavy load equipment is started and stopped. This was typically fans and windscreen wipers.

A good starting point is to set for about 8 seconds of delay. The components used are very easily found (from Maplins) and seem to give a good range and do not draw much current through the tank switch.

Component list

S1 - Suppressor
R1 – 33k
R2 – 33k
VR1 - 1M
C1 - 4.7 uf
C2 - value unsure but not that critical
D1- IN4001
Rly1 - Standard 12volt relay
 

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LS303-51N - GENTECH INTERNATIONAL - FLOAT SWITCH, HORIZ | Farnell United Kingdom

cheaper (half price) alternative to RS, but max operating temp is 110°C
The farnell one in the link is the same design to the RS one. The RS is difficult to get water tight. It needs you to tighten it up so the strang flange collar rubber seal bends to form a good fit. You'll struggle to put the nut on the thread prior to the collar bending, allowing thread clearence. The rapid electronics version uses 2 simple rubber washers which solves this problem. My RS one broke.

Liquid Level Sensor Horizontal Nylon
 
This is the reason I like Landyzone.... stonking good post.... now where's me soldering iron....

Without going through the circuit (I am such an amateur at these things) can I assume that

i. the voltage at Alarm Output is 12v

ii. there is no current drawn when there is sufficient coolant?

I am looking at ways to adapt the circuit to trigger the DIN on the tracking system. It would be perfect for vehicle hire companies to detect people not doing dailyy checks

This should be sticky... or certainly in the how tos section
 
I have a small flood alarm, (never mind why!), it consists of two probes that complete a circuit when both are immersed in water.

I know there must be a reason why this kind of triggering method would not be appropriate for a header tank but I can't think why.

For my own purposes... I would like a charge to be delivered to the alarm output when the fluid level is low but no draw at all on the battery when fluid level is high. Obviously I realise that this is not a practical scenario... so the draw on the battery is critical. I am looking at vehicles that might be parked up for a couple of months while their owners are away on business/holidays etc. so I have to be careful to make sure I do not drain the battery while at the same time providing protection. What level of current would we be looking at... I know the circuit is designed to be inactive when the ignition is off... but in my case the circuit would likely be active 24/7
 
On the TM-2 watchdog there is an orange wire that can be connected to the standard oil pressure indicator.

Could the coolant sensor be run to this wire and trigger the alarm in the TM-2 when low coolant ?
 
I have a small flood alarm, (never mind why!), it consists of two probes that complete a circuit when both are immersed in water.

I know there must be a reason why this kind of triggering method would not be appropriate for a header tank but I can't think why.

For my own purposes... I would like a charge to be delivered to the alarm output when the fluid level is low but no draw at all on the battery when fluid level is high. Obviously I realise that this is not a practical scenario... so the draw on the battery is critical. I am looking at vehicles that might be parked up for a couple of months while their owners are away on business/holidays etc. so I have to be careful to make sure I do not drain the battery while at the same time providing protection. What level of current would we be looking at... I know the circuit is designed to be inactive when the ignition is off... but in my case the circuit would likely be active 24/7

Sorry for late reply, Ryder. Just seen post.
As for your 2 probe sensor, it is the opposite of what you require. It makes the circuit while the water level is ok and breaks it when low. What you want is one that sets the alarm when low, however I query the need for it, because if a car is parked up for months, it won't matter if the water level is low, as the water is only used to cool a running engine, nothing else. So you only need to know if the water is low, immediately before the engine is started. You could wire your 2 probe sensor so that it acts as an inhibitor in the ignition circuit, such that it won't allow ignition to be live if the water level is low, but you risk it turning off the engine whilst driving if you get coolant loss or a defective sensor. Not good :(.
 
MHM, I was looking at the Maplins website for the parts and I saw that they do a 555 mono stable switch for £7.99 that can be adjusted between 1sec and 15 mins. I take it I just need to wire the level sensor up to it and it would be good to go ?
 
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