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Old 18th-March-2004, 07:19
Christopher Grenness
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Default What's the best stock 4x4 system for snow?

I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
Rover Discovery II.
All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
moving if all four wheels are in the air...).

What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
sure.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...


Best regards,

Christopher
Oslo, Norway
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Old 18th-March-2004, 10:24
Erik-Jan Geniets
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Christopher Grenness wrote:
>


> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
> sure.


As far as I know this is a part-time 4x4. So, no center diff but a
t-case.
Those are always locked in 4WD mode. They all also seem to have a
factory built in limited slip diff in the rear. Not a locker.
Lockers make steering in the snow more or less impossible.
I think still the best idea is a permanent 4WD with open diffs. Like the
Discovery II. Do not stall when driving just keep it rolling.
If you get stuck you can always try the center diff lock to get you out.
Make also sure you have the right tyres for these conditions. Air them
down if neccesary.
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.
http://www.fotograaf.com/trooper
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Old 18th-March-2004, 11:56
James BIGFOOT Holloway
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Default Re: What's the best stock 4x4 system for snow?

any 4x4 can be good in the snow it all depens on the TYRES. BUY some good
snow tyres.
james

"Erik-Jan Geniets" <ej@fotograaf.com> wrote in message
news:405978C7.B96111BF@fotograaf.com...
>
>
> Christopher Grenness wrote:
> >

>
> > I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
> > 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
> > sure.

>
> As far as I know this is a part-time 4x4. So, no center diff but a
> t-case.
> Those are always locked in 4WD mode. They all also seem to have a
> factory built in limited slip diff in the rear. Not a locker.
> Lockers make steering in the snow more or less impossible.
> I think still the best idea is a permanent 4WD with open diffs. Like the
> Discovery II. Do not stall when driving just keep it rolling.
> If you get stuck you can always try the center diff lock to get you out.
> Make also sure you have the right tyres for these conditions. Air them
> down if neccesary.
> Kind regards,
> Erik-Jan.
> http://www.fotograaf.com/trooper



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Old 18th-March-2004, 14:36
Mike Romain
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Default Re: What's the best stock 4x4 system for snow?

Jeep Rubicon.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Christopher Grenness wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
> I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
> Rover Discovery II.
> All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
> impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
> they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
> moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
>
> What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
> eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
> sure.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway

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Old 18th-March-2004, 14:40
TOXICTAVRN
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Default Re: What's the best stock 4x4 system for snow?

>I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in >snowy conditions.
>I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land

Rover Discovery II.
All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
they landed on their bellies, though. I know >that no car can keep on
moving if all four wheels are in the air...).

>What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to

eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
>4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not

sure.

>Can someone point me in the right direction?


>And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
>add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my >Jeeps but I'm looking for the
>best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in >snow...



>Best regards,


Christopher
Oslo, Norway

> any 4x4 can be good in the snow it all depens on the TYRES. BUY some good
>snow tyres.
>james
>


yes yes and yes, any part time 4wd system can handle deep snow effectively,
things that help make it better, number 1 is good aggressive tires, number 2
aggressive tires, a standard transmission will outperform an auto tranny in 4wd
situations, its all i will ever drive off road and in the snow, a limited slip
rear dif is very important, a powerful motor helps a lot as well, i find a lot
of 4cyl and 6cyl 4wd's lack enough power to muscle through deep snow and slush
with ease, the 3 vehicles you mentioned are as good as any, but proper setup
makes all the difference, my ram is like a bulldozer in the snow, but i have
all the good stuff, awesome tires, heavy vehicle(7k lbs), a std tranny with a
granny 1st gear, plus 4:10's in the rear, a limited slip, and a v-10, i have
yet to meet a new england snowstorm that has given me hard time as of yet, and
we had some good ones! a couple of 2 footers a bunch of 1 footers, last year a
3 footer + , no problems!


79 T/A WS6 455 ,Hurst 4 spd, Blk w/ t-tops, Heavily Fortified, 4mpg

00 Ram 2500HD QC V-10 4x4,Blk,5 spd,4:10 LSD, 10mpg

98 Intruder 1400, Blk, 5 spd, 25mpg



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Old 18th-March-2004, 22:14
Chris Phillipo
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Default Re: What's the best stock 4x4 system for snow?

In article <ffe57d77.0403172319.4a7d03f3@posting.google.com >,
grenness@my-deja.com says...
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
> I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
> Rover Discovery II.
> All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
> impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
> they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
> moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
>
> What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
> eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
> sure.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway
>


What you are looking for is any of the ones you already had, but better
tires and/or chains.
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Old 21st-March-2004, 20:36
Mike Hall
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Default Re: What's the best stock 4x4 system for snow?


"Christopher Grenness" <grenness@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:ffe57d77.0403172319.4a7d03f3@posting.google.c om...
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
> I've had a '91 Jeep Cherokee, a '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport and a '01 Land
> Rover Discovery II.
> All of them were equipped with stock 4x4 systems, and none of them
> impressed me when it came to deep snow capabilities (not so deep that
> they landed on their bellies, though. I know that no car can keep on
> moving if all four wheels are in the air...).
>
> What I'm looking for is a 4x4 that without modifications are built to
> eat through snow with all four wheels turning.
> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
> sure.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway


Try this one.. seven seats at least.. enough room for groceries.. no rework
required for deep snow.. http://www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats/tucker/


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Old 21st-March-2004, 20:39
Mike Hall
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4059B3E6.19CFCD56@sympatico.ca...
> Jeep Rubicon.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>

Yo Mike.. this one has to appeal to your wife.. looks like a house.. built
like a house.. all it needs is a pitched tin roof and bathroom..
http://www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats/tucker/


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Old 5th-April-2004, 20:25
Willem-Jan Markerink
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Erik-Jan Geniets <ej@fotograaf.com> wrote in
news:405978C7.B96111BF@fotograaf.com:

>
>
> Christopher Grenness wrote:
>>

>
>> I've heard that the Mercedes Geländerwagen might have the best stock
>> 4x4 system with diff locks both front, rear and central, but I'm not
>> sure.

>
> As far as I know this is a part-time 4x4. So, no center diff but a
> t-case.


No, that only applies to the first 'utility' generation, which was never sold
in the USA....;))

> Those are always locked in 4WD mode. They all also seem to have a
> factory built in limited slip diff in the rear. Not a locker.


Yes, lockers, though optional at least in the early years I *think*.

> Lockers make steering in the snow more or less impossible.


They make steering difficult on any surface (ranging from center to rear to
front lock), but deep snow is not the worst of those surfaces....:))


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is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand

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Old 6th-April-2004, 06:34
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grenness@my-deja.com (Christopher Grenness) wrote in message news:<ffe57d77.0403172319.4a7d03f3@posting.google. com>...
> I'm looking for a 4x4 car that will excel in snowy conditions.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> And please: I'm looking for unmodified drivetrains - I know I could
> add aftermarket locks (ARB etc.) to my Jeeps but I'm looking for the
> best unmodified 4x4 vehicle for use in snow...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christopher
> Oslo, Norway


Something with lockers(may affect handling but 4 tires moving are
better than two), low range in the transfer case, descent differential
clearance, and semi agressive tires(the wider the better). You want to
float on the snow not dig in. Someone mentioned a Jeep Rubicon, a good
choice if it's sold in Oslo.
Mike.
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