Nuts, Screws, and Bolts

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Bob Miller

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Does anyone know of a cross reference between Land Rover part numbers and
the actual size and types of nuts bolts and screws. There are occasional
references to size and type in the Illustrated Parts Catalogue, but I really
don't fancy going through the whole thing to try and find them all!
--
MTIA

Bob Miller
1990 ex-RAF 110 3.5 V8 17KJ83
1967 3/4 ton Sankey 09ES17


 
in article [email protected], Bob Miller at
[email protected] wrote on 6/6/05 12:07 am:

> Does anyone know of a cross reference between Land Rover part numbers and
> the actual size and types of nuts bolts and screws. There are occasional
> references to size and type in the Illustrated Parts Catalogue, but I really
> don't fancy going through the whole thing to try and find them all!



I was under the impression that Landrovers ( in particular mine) was bolted
together with the sweepings off the stock room floor!

4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe onto
the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
holding the wings on!

I hate deep maintenence time.


Rory Manton

It's Not Pink.
It's Telemagenta



 
> I was under the impression that Landrovers ( in particular mine) was
bolted
> together with the sweepings off the stock room floor!
>
> 4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe onto
> the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
> holding the wings on!
>

And that's what it was like when it come out of the factory. Landys being
landys, probably have 8 different sized bolts by now. a couple of imperial,
couple of metric, and a couple of those wonderfully useless whitworth bolts.

i have not known any other brand of car, that more consistently has non
standard fittings replacing the original ones, be it bolts, battery holders,
seat-belts. i can't decide wether it is because
A) landrover bits break quicker than most car bits
B) landrover owners are very reluctant to spend the extra money on original
parts
C) landrover owners typically have sheds full of junk, much of which can
serve any number of uses in a landrover.

Anyone got more reasons to add to the list??

Sam.


 
On or around Mon, 06 Jun 2005 06:51:41 +0000, Rory Manton
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe onto
>the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
>holding the wings on!


can't help feeling that you've got a nonstandard one or two on the manifold
joint.

as to front wings... the ones on the 110 proved to be a mixture of 1/4"UNF,
5/16"UNF, and some odd ones that go into the funny captive nuts on the door
pillar.


In general, I found that 110 body parts were often UNF, the axles and
suspension bits tended to be metric, propshaft bolts were UNF. V8s are
(with maybe the exception of the "thor" ones, not seen one) UNF and UNC.

I don't think there are any whitworth/BSF left on the 110s, or indeed
probably the later series.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
George Orwell (1903 - 1950) Animal Farm
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Samuel" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > I was under the impression that Landrovers ( in particular mine) was

> bolted
> > together with the sweepings off the stock room floor!
> >
> > 4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe onto
> > the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
> > holding the wings on!
> >

> And that's what it was like when it come out of the factory. Landys being
> landys, probably have 8 different sized bolts by now. a couple of imperial,
> couple of metric, and a couple of those wonderfully useless whitworth bolts.
>
> i have not known any other brand of car, that more consistently has non
> standard fittings replacing the original ones, be it bolts, battery holders,
> seat-belts. i can't decide wether it is because
> A) landrover bits break quicker than most car bits
> B) landrover owners are very reluctant to spend the extra money on original
> parts
> C) landrover owners typically have sheds full of junk, much of which can
> serve any number of uses in a landrover.
>
> Anyone got more reasons to add to the list??
>
> Sam.
>
>


Happily for us, Land Rover owners are famous for spending a tenner
to save a pound. My favourite is people who replace the screws holding
the lights on with a small nut & bolt and then have to try and get
the unit off 3 years later.........

Richard

--
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Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
Helping keep Land Rovers on and off the road to annoy the Lib Dems
 
Samuel wrote:

>> I was under the impression that Landrovers ( in particular mine) was

> bolted
>> together with the sweepings off the stock room floor!
>>
>> 4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe
>> onto
>> the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
>> holding the wings on!
>>

> And that's what it was like when it come out of the factory. Landys being
> landys, probably have 8 different sized bolts by now. a couple of
> imperial, couple of metric, and a couple of those wonderfully useless
> whitworth bolts.
>
> i have not known any other brand of car, that more consistently has non
> standard fittings replacing the original ones, be it bolts, battery
> holders, seat-belts. i can't decide wether it is because
> A) landrover bits break quicker than most car bits
> B) landrover owners are very reluctant to spend the extra money on
> original parts
> C) landrover owners typically have sheds full of junk, much of which can
> serve any number of uses in a landrover.
>
> Anyone got more reasons to add to the list??
>
> Sam.


D) Probably the real reason - being originally designed as a stop gap with
minimum tooling, the design can use a lot of off the shelf parts, including
bolts and nuts. If you compare where these are used with the same place on
the "ordinary" car mostly the equivalent is a special part that you can't
replace with just any bolt, or it is welded up anyway so the equivalent
bolt does not exist.
JD
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Mon, 06 Jun 2005 06:51:41 +0000, Rory Manton
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe onto
>>the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
>>holding the wings on!

>
> can't help feeling that you've got a nonstandard one or two on the
> manifold joint.
>
> as to front wings... the ones on the 110 proved to be a mixture of
> 1/4"UNF, 5/16"UNF, and some odd ones that go into the funny captive nuts
> on the door pillar.
>
>
> In general, I found that 110 body parts were often UNF, the axles and
> suspension bits tended to be metric, propshaft bolts were UNF. V8s are
> (with maybe the exception of the "thor" ones, not seen one) UNF and UNC.
>
> I don't think there are any whitworth/BSF left on the 110s, or indeed
> probably the later series.
>

Even the last series had at least some BSF - one that comes to mind is the
bolts through the drive flanges into the hub, but there are probably
others. I haven't found any on my 110, but I wouldn't bet there aren't any!
JD
 
in article [email protected], Austin Shackles at
[email protected] wrote on 6/6/05 8:37 am:

> On or around Mon, 06 Jun 2005 06:51:41 +0000, Rory Manton
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> 4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe onto
>> the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
>> holding the wings on!

>
> can't help feeling that you've got a nonstandard one or two on the manifold
> joint.
>
>

Not now I havn't, well ,standard or no they are now all the same!

> I don't think there are any whitworth/BSF left on the 110s, or indeed
> probably the later series.



Battery clamps perhaps?

 
On or around Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:35:51 +0000, Rory Manton
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>in article [email protected], Austin Shackles at
>[email protected] wrote on 6/6/05 8:37 am:
>
>> On or around Mon, 06 Jun 2005 06:51:41 +0000, Rory Manton
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> 4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe onto
>>> the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
>>> holding the wings on!

>>
>> can't help feeling that you've got a nonstandard one or two on the manifold
>> joint.
>>
>>

>Not now I havn't, well ,standard or no they are now all the same!
>
>> I don't think there are any whitworth/BSF left on the 110s, or indeed
>> probably the later series.

>
>
>Battery clamps perhaps?


ah yes, some battery clamp bolts are indeed whitworth. Although I've seen
metric ones in more recent examples.

I'm fairly sure there aren't any whit/BSF on the 90/110 and discos.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"For when the One Great Scorer comes to write against your name,
He marks - not that you won or lost - but how you played the game"
Grantland Rice (1880-1954). my opinions are just that
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:35:51 +0000, Rory Manton
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>in article [email protected], Austin Shackles at
>>[email protected] wrote on 6/6/05 8:37 am:
>>
>>
>>>On or around Mon, 06 Jun 2005 06:51:41 +0000, Rory Manton
>>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>
>>>>4 ,Yes 4, different size nuts and bolts holding the exhaust downpipe onto
>>>>the manifold requiring 8 different spanners. and about 3 different sizes
>>>>holding the wings on!
>>>
>>>can't help feeling that you've got a nonstandard one or two on the manifold
>>>joint.
>>>
>>>

>>
>>Not now I havn't, well ,standard or no they are now all the same!
>>
>>
>>>I don't think there are any whitworth/BSF left on the 110s, or indeed
>>>probably the later series.

>>
>>
>>Battery clamps perhaps?

>
>
> ah yes, some battery clamp bolts are indeed whitworth. Although I've seen
> metric ones in more recent examples.
>
> I'm fairly sure there aren't any whit/BSF on the 90/110 and discos.


Have they changed the two under the axle pinion housing - used for the
steering damper bracket?
 
On or around Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:24:15 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> ah yes, some battery clamp bolts are indeed whitworth. Although I've seen
>> metric ones in more recent examples.
>>
>> I'm fairly sure there aren't any whit/BSF on the 90/110 and discos.

>
>Have they changed the two under the axle pinion housing - used for the
>steering damper bracket?


never had to look at them, in fact, and I don't have a 110 any more.
However, the only non-metric I found on mine anywhere were UNF, not BSF.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
> Does anyone know of a cross reference between Land Rover part numbers and
> the actual size and types of nuts bolts and screws.
>

I may have answered my own question - there's a page "Decoding LR Fastener
Part Numbers" at http://www.ep90.com/index.php?id=28 that seems to have
information for most fastenings. So now I can go down the road to Apex
Fastenings, rather than driving miles to a LR parts dept. So far on my
Landy I've found UNF, UNC, Metric, BSP, and BSW (the welded pads on the rear
crossmember, and we tried virtually every thread known to mankind) - I'm not
taking bets on not finding BA or even cycle thread!
--
Bob Miller
1990 ex-RAF 110 3.5 V8 17KJ83
1967 3/4 ton Sankey 09ES17


 
is there a general size for the 4.6 manifold to downpipe studs as i have to change the cats and cant believe that I'm not oging to sheer at least 50% of them?
Any ideas as to the best way to go about it?
thanks
 

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