Freelander mpg

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"90Ninety" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi
> Wifes Td4 gets approx 35-36 mpg. this hardly suffers when towing a

1500Kg
> caravan! It drops 1 or 2 mpg.
> Performance is good. I have driven two 1.8's, I think they feel rough and
> underpowered. They are very thirsty in comparison to the Td4, especially

at
> motorway speeds.
> As soon as the warranty expires I will be exploring the various power
> upgrades on offer!! These can boost performance levels and still have much
> better mpg figures than the 1.8
> Don't buy a V6 unless you have a GPS programmed to show you where the
> nearest filling station is!!
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> 1990 Ninety - the off-road toy!
> Freelander Td4 ES - wifes, no chance of ever seeing real mud!!!
>


Many thanks - your comments appreciated. :)


 


"Dave White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In <[email protected]> Lofty wrote:
> >
> > I know this is a bit like asking how long is a piece of string but:
> >
> > What kind of mpg could I expect (ball park figure is fine) for a
> > Freelander diesel or the 1.8 petrol version ?
> >
> > I have a Volvo T5 2.3 Turbo estate at the moment and am looking to
> > switch to a freelander as I have always wanted one, but the fuel
> > consumption on any new vehicle I get must be better than the 22mpg I
> > currently get from the T5.

>
> I wouldn't touch the 1.8 petrol or 1.8 diesel versions with a barge pole.
> There are some real reliability issues with the engine and they are
> woefully underpowered.
>
> The TD4 seems good though and should return low 30's mpg. If it is an
> issue, the TD4 is much easier to tow with than the 1.8 engines too.
>
> cheers
>
> Dave W.
> http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/



Useful info, thanks very much. The petrol version is off my shopping list
and I am going to try and find a TD4 in my proce range.

If not, then its back to good old Volvo with a V40 estate until I can afford
a better freelander.

Where would I be without these newsgroups ?
- Probably wishing I hadn't bought a 1.8 petrol Freelander :)

Lofty


 
"Eric Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've just bought a freelander myself and seem to get about 25 mpg. This is
> lower than i'd expected and so I've looked into an LPG conversion.
> This runs at about 1800quid but will save about £600 annually doing 10000
> miles. As I intend keeping the vehicle for a number of years it will give

me
> a good saving.


After 3 years with a 1.8 Freelander, that £1800 is going to feel like pocket
money.

I'd save your money for cylinder heads, if I were you.

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"QrizB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), "Lofty"
> <[email protected]> wrote:

<snip>

> TD4: low to mid 30s.
> 1.8: mid to high 20s.


Ours managed low-to-mid 20s.

> V6: low 20s.



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>Is the older (pre TD4) diesel engine much worse than that in the TD4 ?

Noticeably worse.

The TD4 is an excellent engine (used in the BM Series 3, IIRC) and therefore
makes the Rover lump seem nasty by comparison.

Cheers

Blippie
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:52:28 +0000 (UTC), "Lofty"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>"Blippie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >Is the older (pre TD4) diesel engine much worse than that in the TD4 ?

>>
>> Noticeably worse.
>>
>> The TD4 is an excellent engine (used in the BM Series 3, IIRC) and
>> therefore makes the Rover lump seem nasty by comparison.

>
>Thanks. Why is it when you are looking for a new car, no matter what your
>budget, the best one to have is always the one which is just outside one's
>budget ? :-/


In defence of the Rover 2-litre, it's not a bad engine and it got good
reviews when the Freelander was launched. It's just not as good as the
TD4.

--
QrizB

"On second thought, let's not go to Z'Ha'Dum. It is a silly place."
 
On or around Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:52:28 +0000 (UTC), "Lofty"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>
>"Blippie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >Is the older (pre TD4) diesel engine much worse than that in the TD4 ?

>>
>> Noticeably worse.
>>
>> The TD4 is an excellent engine (used in the BM Series 3, IIRC) and

>therefore
>> makes the Rover lump seem nasty by comparison.
>>

>
>Thanks. Why is it when you are looking for a new car, no matter what your
>budget, the best one to have is always the one which is just outside one's
>budget ? :-/


rule of nature, innit.

but you might, at that, be better off with a low-mileage well-looked-after
rover-engine one (L-series, ISTR, which might be a derivation of the Perkins
Prima and might not, according to who you listen to) than a bargain-basement
thrashed-for-miles BMW-powered one.

newer ain't always better, when buying second-hand motors.
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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On or around Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:52:28 +0000 (UTC), "Lofty"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >
> >
> >"Blippie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >Is the older (pre TD4) diesel engine much worse than that in the TD4 ?
> >>
> >> Noticeably worse.
> >>
> >> The TD4 is an excellent engine (used in the BM Series 3, IIRC) and

> >therefore
> >> makes the Rover lump seem nasty by comparison.
> >>

> >
> >Thanks. Why is it when you are looking for a new car, no matter what your
> >budget, the best one to have is always the one which is just outside

one's
> >budget ? :-/

>
> rule of nature, innit.
>
> but you might, at that, be better off with a low-mileage well-looked-after
> rover-engine one (L-series, ISTR, which might be a derivation of the

Perkins
> Prima and might not, according to who you listen to) than a

bargain-basement
> thrashed-for-miles BMW-powered one.
>
> newer ain't always better, when buying second-hand motors.
> --


Thanks for that.

But I am in a real quandry. My local friendly garage (by that I mean they
are locally known to be 'good honest sorts') has a T reg 3dr in beautiful
condition with only 30k on the clock. Right colour, and priced at £5k.

After reading all the negatives about the petrol engines, I was heading for
a diesel, but a similar vehicle with a diesel engine is going to cost me a
grand and a half more.
I have calculated that if I put the extra money aside for the increased fuel
costs, it will see me though 5 years.

It's very tempting, but flies in the face of everything I have been told
since I asked my first question.


 
"Lofty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snip>
>
> But I am in a real quandry. My local friendly garage (by that I mean they
> are locally known to be 'good honest sorts') has a T reg 3dr in beautiful
> condition with only 30k on the clock. Right colour, and priced at £5k.
>
> After reading all the negatives about the petrol engines, I was heading

for
> a diesel, but a similar vehicle with a diesel engine is going to cost me a
> grand and a half more.
> I have calculated that if I put the extra money aside for the increased

fuel
> costs, it will see me though 5 years.
>
> It's very tempting, but flies in the face of everything I have been told
> since I asked my first question.


Please don't.

At 30k, the petrol engine is _incredibly_ likely to be within 10k of a head
gasket failure (honestly, even my local LR dealer tells me that almost all
1.8s have had the head gaskets go by 50k). Depending on the damage done when
it goes, and who you get to repair it, it will cost between £500 (head
skimmed and refitted by an independant) and £6k (LR dealer declaring the
engine scrap and fitting a replacement) to have it sorted. Having had it
sorted, you can expect to be within 40k of it going again.

Here's a potted history of our 1.8 (a not atypical one, at that):

36k Head gasket failure, 2 weeks in the workshop, repaired under warranty
(2 years old).
I have to say that the engine always felt rougher afterwards, but
I've no idea what they changed.
48k Catalytic convertor breaks up. A decent contribution from LR as it
was just out of warranty.
78k CCU controlling the 'ancillary' electrics packs up rendering rear
door inoperative
£450 to have a replacement CCU fitted by my local independant LR
repairer
78.5k Head gasket failure. LR offer 50% contribution toward cost of
replacing cylinder head.
Total quoted was £3000, or which we'd have to pay £1500.
Took it to my local independant (after paying £440 to get it back
from dealer) who
skimmed head and refitted for £500.
78.8k IRD (Intermediate Reduction Drive) showing signs of failure.
Estimated cost to repair, £1000.
Got rid of it right sharpish.

Trade-in value at 79k, 4 1/2 years old (V-plate): £4500.

I said ours was atypical: our next door neighbour had a '98 1.8 which threw
a head gasket requiring a replacement engine, shortly followed by IRD
failure. They own a Mazda 323, now.

The £1500 price difference between a petrol and a diesel _might_ just pay
for the head gasket to be repaired. Once. Note that LR almost certainly
won't contribute because of it was out-of-warranty when you bought it.

An out-of-warranty Freelander is a bit of a liability. An out-of-warranty
1.8 is the stuff sleepless nights are made of.

Honestly, steer clear.

--
Smorgo (Steve Morgan)
Hello: '01 VFR 800 FI, '86 V8 110
Goodbye: '01 NT650V
E-Mail address is spam-trapped. Use my first name at wormpurple dot com



 


"Smorgo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lofty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
> >
> > But I am in a real quandry. My local friendly garage (by that I mean

they
> > are locally known to be 'good honest sorts') has a T reg 3dr in

beautiful
> > condition with only 30k on the clock. Right colour, and priced at £5k.
> >
> > After reading all the negatives about the petrol engines, I was heading

> for
> > a diesel, but a similar vehicle with a diesel engine is going to cost me

a
> > grand and a half more.
> > I have calculated that if I put the extra money aside for the increased

> fuel
> > costs, it will see me though 5 years.
> >
> > It's very tempting, but flies in the face of everything I have been told
> > since I asked my first question.

>
> Please don't.
>
> At 30k, the petrol engine is _incredibly_ likely to be within 10k of a

head
> gasket failure (honestly, even my local LR dealer tells me that almost all
> 1.8s have had the head gaskets go by 50k). Depending on the damage done

when
> it goes, and who you get to repair it, it will cost between £500 (head
> skimmed and refitted by an independant) and £6k (LR dealer declaring the
> engine scrap and fitting a replacement) to have it sorted. Having had it
> sorted, you can expect to be within 40k of it going again.
>
> Here's a potted history of our 1.8 (a not atypical one, at that):
>
> 36k Head gasket failure, 2 weeks in the workshop, repaired under

warranty
> (2 years old).
> I have to say that the engine always felt rougher afterwards, but
> I've no idea what they changed.
> 48k Catalytic convertor breaks up. A decent contribution from LR as it
> was just out of warranty.
> 78k CCU controlling the 'ancillary' electrics packs up rendering rear
> door inoperative
> £450 to have a replacement CCU fitted by my local independant LR
> repairer
> 78.5k Head gasket failure. LR offer 50% contribution toward cost of
> replacing cylinder head.
> Total quoted was £3000, or which we'd have to pay £1500.
> Took it to my local independant (after paying £440 to get it back
> from dealer) who
> skimmed head and refitted for £500.
> 78.8k IRD (Intermediate Reduction Drive) showing signs of failure.
> Estimated cost to repair, £1000.
> Got rid of it right sharpish.
>
> Trade-in value at 79k, 4 1/2 years old (V-plate): £4500.
>
> I said ours was atypical: our next door neighbour had a '98 1.8 which

threw
> a head gasket requiring a replacement engine, shortly followed by IRD
> failure. They own a Mazda 323, now.
>
> The £1500 price difference between a petrol and a diesel _might_ just pay
> for the head gasket to be repaired. Once. Note that LR almost certainly
> won't contribute because of it was out-of-warranty when you bought it.
>
> An out-of-warranty Freelander is a bit of a liability. An out-of-warranty
> 1.8 is the stuff sleepless nights are made of.
>
> Honestly, steer clear.
>
> --
> Smorgo (Steve Morgan)
> Hello: '01 VFR 800 FI, '86 V8 110
> Goodbye: '01 NT650V
> E-Mail address is spam-trapped. Use my first name at wormpurple dot com



Thank you, that is certainly sobering food for thought.


 

Thanks everyone for the feedback - it has been useful.

Just one last thing,

Is the older (pre TD4) diesel engine much worse than that in the TD4 ?

I am looking at an 'S' reg (1997/98) diesel, which is a good price but is
obviously an older engine than the TD4.

Thanks


 


"Smorgo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lofty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
> >
> > But I am in a real quandry. My local friendly garage (by that I mean

they
> > are locally known to be 'good honest sorts') has a T reg 3dr in

beautiful
> > condition with only 30k on the clock. Right colour, and priced at £5k.
> >
> > After reading all the negatives about the petrol engines, I was heading

> for
> > a diesel, but a similar vehicle with a diesel engine is going to cost me

a
> > grand and a half more.
> > I have calculated that if I put the extra money aside for the increased

> fuel
> > costs, it will see me though 5 years.
> >
> > It's very tempting, but flies in the face of everything I have been told
> > since I asked my first question.

>
> Please don't.
>
> At 30k, the petrol engine is _incredibly_ likely to be within 10k of a

head
> gasket failure (honestly, even my local LR dealer tells me that almost all
> 1.8s have had the head gaskets go by 50k). Depending on the damage done

when
> it goes, and who you get to repair it, it will cost between £500 (head
> skimmed and refitted by an independant) and £6k (LR dealer declaring the
> engine scrap and fitting a replacement) to have it sorted. Having had it
> sorted, you can expect to be within 40k of it going again.
>
> Here's a potted history of our 1.8 (a not atypical one, at that):
>
> 36k Head gasket failure, 2 weeks in the workshop, repaired under

warranty
> (2 years old).
> I have to say that the engine always felt rougher afterwards, but
> I've no idea what they changed.
> 48k Catalytic convertor breaks up. A decent contribution from LR as it
> was just out of warranty.
> 78k CCU controlling the 'ancillary' electrics packs up rendering rear
> door inoperative
> £450 to have a replacement CCU fitted by my local independant LR
> repairer
> 78.5k Head gasket failure. LR offer 50% contribution toward cost of
> replacing cylinder head.
> Total quoted was £3000, or which we'd have to pay £1500.
> Took it to my local independant (after paying £440 to get it back
> from dealer) who
> skimmed head and refitted for £500.
> 78.8k IRD (Intermediate Reduction Drive) showing signs of failure.
> Estimated cost to repair, £1000.
> Got rid of it right sharpish.
>
> Trade-in value at 79k, 4 1/2 years old (V-plate): £4500.
>
> I said ours was atypical: our next door neighbour had a '98 1.8 which

threw
> a head gasket requiring a replacement engine, shortly followed by IRD
> failure. They own a Mazda 323, now.
>
> The £1500 price difference between a petrol and a diesel _might_ just pay
> for the head gasket to be repaired. Once. Note that LR almost certainly
> won't contribute because of it was out-of-warranty when you bought it.
>
> An out-of-warranty Freelander is a bit of a liability. An out-of-warranty
> 1.8 is the stuff sleepless nights are made of.
>
> Honestly, steer clear.
>
> --
> Smorgo (Steve Morgan)



I had a chat with the land rover man at the garage today about your head
gasket issues.

He said that there is a mod which can be done to replace some plastic parts
(don't ask me what, he lost me after sentence two), and that any freelanders
they get in have the mod done, to avoid any come back on the head gasket
issue.
He is so sure of his facts that he is prepared to give me an 18 month
warranty on the head gasket.
He will also give me a 12 month warranty on any mechanical breakdown (apart
from the usual exhaust and tyres etc), underwritten by the garage.

Normally I would be very sceptical, knowing what garages are like when you
go back with a problem, but this one is very well respected in the area, and
I have heard so many good things about them that I am inclined to take their
word.
Someone in our villag bought a car from them 2 years ago, and after 8 months
it suffered a mechanical failue. They took it back to the garage to get the
work done, and they did it for free as they said they took responsibility
for all cars they sell.

I have heard similar stories from other people, and anyone you mention the
garage to immediately says something like "You wont go wrong with them, they
are very fair and honest".

On that basis, I may try the petrol freelander for a year and see how I get
on. If I like it, I will robably be able to afford a T4 Diesel by then, and
if I don't it's back to a Volvo V70.

Thanks for taking the trouble to get me clued up on the potential problems.

Lofty


 
I've just bought a freelander myself and seem to get about 25 mpg. This is
lower than i'd expected and so I've looked into an LPG conversion.
This runs at about 1800quid but will save about £600 annually doing 10000
miles. As I intend keeping the vehicle for a number of years it will give me
a good saving.

If you are interested type " LPG conversion " into google for more info

"Lofty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> "QrizB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), "Lofty"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >I know this is a bit like asking how long is a piece of string but:
> > >
> > >What kind of mpg could I expect (ball park figure is fine) for a

> Freelander
> > >diesel or the 1.8 petrol version ?
> > >
> > >I have a Volvo T5 2.3 Turbo estate at the moment and am looking to

switch
> to
> > >a freelander as I have always wanted one, but the fuel consumption on

any
> > >new vehicle I get must be better than the 22mpg I currently get from

the
> T5.
> >
> > Either should do better than 22 mpg, although the petrol won't beat it
> > by much. The V6 (which you haven't mentioned) won't beat it at all.
> >
> > TD4: low to mid 30s.
> > 1.8: mid to high 20s.
> > V6: low 20s.
> >
> > --
> > QrizB
> >
> > "On second thought, let's not go to Z'Ha'Dum. It is a silly place."

>
>
> Thanks, thats very helpful.
>
> I didn't mention the V6 as I had kind of dismissed that on the basis it
> would be thirsty.
>
>



 
"Lofty" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> I know this is a bit like asking how long is a piece of string but:
>
> What kind of mpg could I expect (ball park figure is fine) for a
> Freelander diesel or the 1.8 petrol version ?
>
> I have a Volvo T5 2.3 Turbo estate at the moment and am looking to
> switch to a freelander as I have always wanted one, but the fuel
> consumption on any new vehicle I get must be better than the 22mpg I
> currently get from the T5.
>
> Any help much appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Lofty
>
>


Getting around 39-41mpg on our 2001 TD4 (manual). That's doing around 40
miles per day mainly rural B-roads weekdays, and perhaps 60 miles per
week urban.


Neil
 

>Useful info, thanks very much. The petrol version is off my shopping list
>and I am going to try and find a TD4 in my proce range.
>
>If not, then its back to good old Volvo with a V40 estate until I can afford
>a better freelander.
>
>Where would I be without these newsgroups ?
>- Probably wishing I hadn't bought a 1.8 petrol Freelander :)
>
>Lofty
>


I've done some long journeys in a diesel V40. Well, they felt like
long journeys anyway.... Definitely not a drivers car - very
underpowered and dynamically poor. I'd look at the Mondeo and
Volkswagen alternatives very closely - far better engines and
generally more modern.

Whilst shopping for the V70 I happened upon several 2.4 lpg cars which
seem to suffer phenomenal depreciation from new. These are factory
lpg installations, so fully warranted and nicely integrated. I wanted
more than 140bhp, but the prospect of an 18-month old V70 with all the
toys for 14K was very tempting indeed.


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'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
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