Aluminium 'welding' (joining) kit from frosts -' lumiweld'

I don't usually champion products for people.
I have just tried out 'Lumiweld' for joining aluminium.
It's available from frost's restorers.
http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=8823

It does exactly what it says on the tin! (plastic tube actually!)
I am well pleased. Just made a 'welded' seam on an aluminium water tank. If
you follow the instructions it is dead easy. Really cheap too. Says it is
suitable for Landrover bodywork.

Stew

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Ex- Freelander Td4 5dr owner - the worst vehicle I have ever had!!!
New Jeep Cherokee Ltd 2.8CRD Auto - freelander replacement.

On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:13:57 +0100, "90ninety"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I don't usually champion products for people.
>I have just tried out 'Lumiweld' for joining aluminium.
>It's available from frost's restorers.
>http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=8823
>
>It does exactly what it says on the tin! (plastic tube actually!)
>I am well pleased. Just made a 'welded' seam on an aluminium water tank. If
>you follow the instructions it is dead easy. Really cheap too. Says it is
>suitable for Landrover bodywork.

seen their demo, which includes among other things welding a bit of 2mm
plate to the side of an aluminium lager tin, and casting an aluminium thread
by filling a steel nut with the stuff. The latter was stronger than it had
any right to be. Also tried pulling apart 2 bits of 2mm plate welded
together and the plate fails as readily as the weld.

The particular advantage IIRC is that it's low temperature, a bit like
bronze-welding steel parts together - the steel never actually melts.

interesting to know you can get it from Frost. I wonder if it's up to
aluminium fabrication of bike frames - must try it sometime, then we could
build aluminium trikes.
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and those who can't" (Anon)

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:00:51 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):

> On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:13:57 +0100, "90ninety"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> I don't usually champion products for people.
>> I have just tried out 'Lumiweld' for joining aluminium.
>> It's available from frost's restorers.
>> http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=8823
>>
>> It does exactly what it says on the tin! (plastic tube actually!)
>> I am well pleased. Just made a 'welded' seam on an aluminium water tank. If
>> you follow the instructions it is dead easy. Really cheap too. Says it is
>> suitable for Landrover bodywork.
>
> seen their demo, which includes among other things welding a bit of 2mm
> plate to the side of an aluminium lager tin, and casting an aluminium thread
> by filling a steel nut with the stuff. The latter was stronger than it had
> any right to be. Also tried pulling apart 2 bits of 2mm plate welded
> together and the plate fails as readily as the weld.
>
> The particular advantage IIRC is that it's low temperature, a bit like
> bronze-welding steel parts together - the steel never actually melts.
>
> interesting to know you can get it from Frost. I wonder if it's up to
> aluminium fabrication of bike frames - must try it sometime, then we could
> build aluminium trikes.
>

Check out the welding forums if you're thinking of this. The impression I got
from what I read was that it's OK for short term non-critical stuff, but not
up to anything structural or which has to last forever, particularly in the
wet. YMMV.

OTOH, the people commenting were generally those who had access to AC TIG and
were likely to look down their noses at anything which might undermine their
investment!

Nick.

On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:03:46 +0100, Nick Williams
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>
>Check out the welding forums if you're thinking of this. The impression I got
>from what I read was that it's OK for short term non-critical stuff, but not
>up to anything structural or which has to last forever, particularly in the
>wet. YMMV.
>
>OTOH, the people commenting were generally those who had access to AC TIG and
>were likely to look down their noses at anything which might undermine their
>investment!

hehe. I have not a tig. My mig welder isn't good enough to weld alu
either.

I guess tlkaing to lumiweld would be the best bet, but they seem not to be
on the web, irritatingly, or else it's made a company not called lumiweld.
Anyone got contact details?
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Boswell's "Johnson".

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:03:46 +0100, Nick Williams
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>>
>>
>>Check out the welding forums if you're thinking of this. The impression I got
>>from what I read was that it's OK for short term non-critical stuff, but not
>>up to anything structural or which has to last forever, particularly in the
>>wet. YMMV.
>>
>>OTOH, the people commenting were generally those who had access to AC TIG and
>>were likely to look down their noses at anything which might undermine their
>>investment!
>
> hehe. I have not a tig. My mig welder isn't good enough to weld alu
> either.
>
> I guess tlkaing to lumiweld would be the best bet, but they seem not to be
> on the web, irritatingly, or else it's made a company not called lumiweld.
> Anyone got contact details?
>


I'm pretty sure the kits we used to use were from BOC (BICBW)
We used them to repair the sumps on perkins phazer engines
with quite good results as well
Or you could try
http://www.aluminiumrepair.co.uk/html/online_shop.html
Same kits as we used just different name

--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:03:46 +0100, Nick Williams
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Check out the welding forums if you're thinking of this. The impression I got
>
>>from what I read was that it's OK for short term non-critical stuff, but not
>
>>up to anything structural or which has to last forever, particularly in the
>>wet. YMMV.
>>
>>OTOH, the people commenting were generally those who had access to AC TIG and
>>were likely to look down their noses at anything which might undermine their
>>investment!
>
>
> hehe. I have not a tig. My mig welder isn't good enough to weld alu
> either.
>
> I guess tlkaing to lumiweld would be the best bet, but they seem not to be
> on the web, irritatingly, or else it's made a company not called lumiweld.
> Anyone got contact details?

http://www.newtechnologyproducts.net

And it's a fair bit cheaper from them.

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EMB

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:03:46 +0100, Nick Williams
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >>
> >
> >Check out the welding forums if you're thinking of this. The impression I
got
> >from what I read was that it's OK for short term non-critical stuff, but
not
> >up to anything structural or which has to last forever, particularly in
the
> >wet. YMMV.
> >
> >OTOH, the people commenting were generally those who had access to AC TIG
and
> >were likely to look down their noses at anything which might undermine
their
> >investment!
>
> hehe. I have not a tig. My mig welder isn't good enough to weld alu
> either.
>
> I guess tlkaing to lumiweld would be the best bet, but they seem not to be
> on the web, irritatingly, or else it's made a company not called lumiweld.
> Anyone got contact details?
> --
> Austin Shackles.

I was looking at that as well there seem to a few companies selling it or
similar try the distributors http://www.est-dev.com/alum/Alumiweld.htm
WWW.Alumiweld.com
or http://durafix.com/brochure/p1.htm
http://www.lb-restoration.co.uk/cgi...BIKE&keywords=Lumiweld&cart_id=1123784743.517

looks cheaper to buy in direct from the US working out at about £25 for 22
sticks
Derek

On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:28:12 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>I was looking at that as well there seem to a few companies selling it or
>similar try the distributors http://www.est-dev.com/alum/Alumiweld.htm
>WWW.Alumiweld.com
>or http://durafix.com/brochure/p1.htm
>http://www.lb-restoration.co.uk/cgi...BIKE&keywords=Lumiweld&cart_id=1123784743.517
>
> looks cheaper to buy in direct from the US working out at about £25 for 22
>sticks

the one "EMB" came up with claims to be better. But then it would...
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something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:28:12 GMT, "Derek"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >
> >I was looking at that as well there seem to a few companies selling it
or
> >similar try the distributors http://www.est-dev.com/alum/Alumiweld.htm
> >WWW.Alumiweld.com
> >or http://durafix.com/brochure/p1.htm
>
>http://www.lb-restoration.co.uk/cgi-bin/store6/commerce.cgi?product=MOTORBI
KE&keywords=Lumiweld&cart_id=1123784743.517
> >
> > looks cheaper to buy in direct from the US working out at about £25 for
22
> >sticks
>
> the one "EMB" came up with claims to be better. But then it would...
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
> something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
> we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)

I was going to offer to go halfsies on a load but it looks like my Discovery
plans have gone titsup I spoke to my insurance at length and they what to
know chapter and verse on the motor I fancied -its a hybrid (RR'77 chassis
Disco 3 door shiny bits) but the engine doesn't pan out to the chassis(no
2.5tds in 77?) so they are in a tizz and won't say whether they will or
won't or a ballpark figure even. Its a pretty tidy motor if any one fancies
( and has sensible insurers ) aside from a little powder on the door edges
and dodgy electrics "qu'elle suprise" I test drove it this week a little
slow but acceptable IMO although to be fair I had just hammered the Merc up
to Carlisle for an urgent delivery so it may have colored my judgement a
little. I reckon the reserve will kill the auction- tho he had a fs notice
showing £2500 in the back a bit steep for a '77 ? . btw did you watch the
video I was impressed !! makes me want to play .
Derek
if you don't eat your meat you can't have your pudding

On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:28:55 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Derek
>if you don't eat your meat you can't have your pudding

you, yes you behind the bike sheds, stand STILL will ye.


re: the welding stuff. The one in EMB's link - I emailed 'em to ask if it
was suitable for aluminium fabrication such as bike frames, and they said
yes, loads of people use it.

looks like the makings of a plan... just got to hunt aluminium tube now.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:28:55 GMT, "Derek"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Derek
> >if you don't eat your meat you can't have your pudding
>
> you, yes you behind the bike sheds, stand STILL will ye.
>
>
> re: the welding stuff. The one in EMB's link - I emailed 'em to ask if it
> was suitable for aluminium fabrication such as bike frames, and they said
> yes, loads of people use it.
>
> looks like the makings of a plan... just got to hunt aluminium tube now.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
> a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
> from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
do you know any double gazing manufacturers? they always seem to have skips
full of box section tubing and profiles.
Derek

On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:00:22 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>do you know any double gazing manufacturers? they always seem to have skips
>full of box section tubing and profiles.
>Derek

hehe. nah, for what I have in mind, I'd want proper bicycle tubing.
>
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Academy, 19 June 1879.

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:00:22 GMT, "Derek"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>do you know any double gazing manufacturers? they always seem to have skips
>>full of box section tubing and profiles.
>>Derek
>
>
> hehe. nah, for what I have in mind, I'd want proper bicycle tubing.
>

Lugged and brazed, or just brazed ally?

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EMB

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:28:55 GMT, "Derek"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Derek
>>if you don't eat your meat you can't have your pudding
>
> you, yes you behind the bike sheds, stand STILL will ye.
>

Ahem... "stand still LADDIE"

Badger.

On or around Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:53:46 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:00:22 GMT, "Derek"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>do you know any double gazing manufacturers? they always seem to have skips
>>>full of box section tubing and profiles.
>>>Derek
>>
>>
>> hehe. nah, for what I have in mind, I'd want proper bicycle tubing.
>>
>
>Lugged and brazed, or just brazed ally?

probably a mixture. what we do is on here:

http://www.roman-road.co.uk

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"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

On or around Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:20:59 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:28:55 GMT, "Derek"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>Derek
>>>if you don't eat your meat you can't have your pudding
>>
>> you, yes you behind the bike sheds, stand STILL will ye.
>>
>
>Ahem... "stand still LADDIE"

could be, at that. I'd have to listen to it or go an read the sleeve
notes...
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:20:59 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >
> >"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On or around Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:28:55 GMT, "Derek"
> >> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >>
> >>>Derek
> >>>if you don't eat your meat you can't have your pudding
> >>
> >> you, yes you behind the bike sheds, stand STILL will ye.
> >>
> >
> >Ahem... "stand still LADDIE"
>
> could be, at that. I'd have to listen to it or go an read the sleeve
> notes...
>
maybe but I looked on the CD and its not part of the lyrics.Have you seen
the Floyd website I don't remember it ever being this good some video clips
I haven't seen before too (as well, also er whatever )
http://www.pinkfloyd.co.uk/main.php?flash=present&quicktime=present
I liked the Dave Gilmour live session
Derek

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:55:33 GMT, Derek wrote:

>>>> you, yes you behind the bike sheds, stand STILL will ye.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ahem... "stand still LADDIE"
>>
>> could be, at that.

Not could be, is.

> I'd have to listen to it or go an read the sleeve notes...

Dear me can't remember decent lyrics these days. Though that section
is spoken rather than sung. B-)

Keep your filthy hands of my desert.
There's no dark side of the moon really. As a matter of fact it's all
dark.

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:03:46 +0100, Nick Williams
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Check out the welding forums if you're thinking of this. The impression I got
>from what I read was that it's OK for short term non-critical stuff, but not
>up to anything structural or which has to last forever, particularly in the
>wet. YMMV.
>
>OTOH, the people commenting were generally those who had access to AC TIG and
>were likely to look down their noses at anything which might undermine their
>investment!
>
>Nick.

I bought a pack many years ago. It was called Technoweld then.

I have used it to join a new piece of aluminium to a broken casting
with very good results. I have used it to fabricate a small aluminium
angle framed trolley, also with very good results. However, I also
used it fill in a few pin holes in an aluminium pot used for boiling
water, but electrolytic corrosion at the repair areas was extremely
rapid afterwards, maybe it was just the particular aluminium alloy the
pot was made of. But I'd not use it for anything regularly holding
water again, everything else I've used it for is fine.

Neil

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