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toby_2009

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Hi,

I'm new here but have a question.

A friend and I are hoping to do an expedition around europe, Asia africa in our gapyear (in 2 years) We both love landys and want to do the trip in one but as we will both be 18 when we go, we cant hire (minimum 21YO) so we are going to have to buy one, do the trip, and sell it again (or keep it we still love it!)

So, what is best? it needs to be reliable, spacious, reasonably ecconomic, pretty cheap etc.

Also, what sort of money would we have to spend?

As I said, i'm new so please explain things in simple langauge.

Cheers,

Toby
 
i'm not the best of people for advise on this 1 but vehicle wise i would go for a 200 or 300 tdi defender 110 as this will be easy to work on, maintain and have sufficiant space and be best for fuel econemy. sounds like a great adventurous trip. good luck

paul
 
Don't you have to be a certain age to drive in foreign countries, I thought it was 25? I could be wrong, I only ask because im 19 and really wanna do something like this but am thinking I have to wait :(
 
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Xeon has a point. I would 1st look into all the countries you need to pass through/go through, contact their embassy's or look online, most embassy's have detailed info on the web.

you will need to do some costing too. A trip like that will cost a few thousand before you even pay out for the base vehicle. fees for Visa's etc rack up more than you could imagine along with fuel. yes fuel will be cheaper than the UK but you will be driving lots and using lots.

For Africa a Landy would be fine, but if your going overland to Asia (Mongolia/china for example) then maybe a land cruiser would be a better option. talking of vehicles, you have to factor in the cost of Carnet's too. to temp import the vehicle into the country. A fine example is Egypt where you need a carnet in the region of 3-400%.

Do the research, do the math and then think about equiping a vehicle. You can go cheap (Series 2, no mods ala rusty rhino style :) ) or you can spend £50,000 on a ready to go unimog or iveco/Man based truck. the possibilities are endless.

Your a long way off achieving what you need to do, but 2 years will soon pass. i suggest you sort route info, visas, carnets 1st. vehicle 2nd.

HTH

G
 
Here is some carnet info for you -


CARNET DE PASSAGES EN DOUANES
BACKGROUND
A Carnet de Passages en Douanes is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to
TEMPORARILY import a vehicle dutyfree
into countries which normally require a deposit against import
charges for such vehicles (generally countries outside Europe).
The Carnet is issued under the auspices of two international touring organisations the
AIT and the FIA. A
large number of automobile and touring clubs throughout the world are affiliated to one or both of these
organisations and issue the Carnet on their behalf. RAC Motoring Services is affiliated to the FIA. Each
Carnet is valid for a maximum of one year. A Carnet holder whose journey goes beyond one year may, in
exceptional circumstances, obtain a second Carnet or an extension, by contacting the local motoring
organisation and seeking further advice from RAC.
DESCRIPTION
The Carnet is a booklet made up of either 5,10 or 25 pages. A 5 page Carnet allows the holder to temporarily
import into 5 countries or on 5 different occasions. A 10 or 25 page Carnet covers the temporary importation
procedure up to 10 or 25 times. Each page is divided into three sections; the lower section is removed by
Customs on entry into a country; the middle section is removed on exit; the top, counterfoil
section, is
stamped once on entry and once on exit. A country revisited
during the return journey will require a new page
to be stamped. It is vital that the holder gets these endorsements as they prove that a vehicle has complied
with temporary import conditions and discharge responsibility for any possible future import charges.
Countries not covered by a particular Carnet are noted in a list of exclusions.
ISSUING PROCEDURE
On issuing a Carnet, a motoring organisation becomes directly responsible for the payment of customs duties
and taxes if the regulations concerning temporary import are infringed.
In order to take on this responsibility, RAC requires the applicant to meet a number of conditions: they must
be able to give a UK address and provide a copy of their passport and vehicle registration document/
certificate.
The applicant must also provide a security the
options are:
a
bank guarantee, signed by a UK clearing bank (building society accounts generally not acceptable);
an
insurance indemnity with the company R L Davison (50% of the premium will be refunded on return of
a correctly discharged Carnet) ;
a
refundable cash deposit (maximum amount accepted is £10,000)
SECURITY RATE TABLE @ OCTOBER 2006
The amount required by RAC depends on the rates of customs duty and taxes in the countries visited but
is always a multiple
of the value of the vehicle. E.g. £5,000 value x 150% = £7,500 (South Africa)
Egypt 800% Africa (excluding Egypt/Kenya) 150%
Iran, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal 500% Japan/New Zealand 150%
Kenya/Libya/Middle East & Far East
(e.g. Singapore/Malaysia)
200% Australia 150%
+ £5,000 Vehicle Import
Approval supplement (cars
only)
South America 300%
Contd.
Generally, RAC requires a minimum of ONE MONTH notice to allow for processing/issue of a Carnet.
Once RAC receives the completed Carnet application form, a quotation will be provided, without obligation.
Carnet fees are indicated on a separate sheet.
DISCHARGE OF THE CARNET
On completion of a journey the Carnetholder
must return the document by secure post to RAC in
Bristol. The Carnet will be checked to ensure it has been stamped correctly in and out of each country visited
to ensure no further claims can be made by foreign Customs. After verification, the security will be released as
appropriate. A carnet remains the property of RAC.
If for any reason the last page used does not bear an exit stamp, the last page of the Carnet (“Certificate of
Location”) must be completed and witnessed by an official authority (Customs, Police or Judiciary) either in the
UK or the country of final import. Failure to do this may delay the release of the security to the Carnet holder
who can still be held liable for customs duties.
...
If a vehicle is stolen or writtenoff
during the journey, a police report and Customs acknowledgement must be
obtained as soon as possible. RAC should be notified as soon as possible. Failure to do this will almost
certainly result in the Carnet holder being held liable for customs duties.
A carnet must be returned to RAC within 3 months of the expiry date, unless prior contact or
arrangements have been made regarding issue of a further carnet.
If the Carnet is not returned to RAC and the carnet holder fails to comply with the temporary importation
regulations & procedures, RAC reserves the right to withhold release of a bank guarantee or refund of monies
to cover costs incurred.
CONDITIONS OF TEMPORARY IMPORT
The Carnet is a legal document allowing temporary importation only and, as such, penalties for its misuse are
severe. Conditions of issue, including the general regulations regarding temporary importation, are shown on
the inside back cover of the Carnet. The main conditions are:
l A temporarily imported vehicle cannot be sold, loaned, abandoned, hire, or otherwise disposed of
without the prior agreement of the local Customs authority and the local motoring organisation.
l The Carnet can only be extended with the prior agreement of the local Customs authority and the local
motoring organisation.
l The Carnetholder
is responsible for ensuring the Carnet is properly endorsed at each border crossing.
l The Carnet cannot be used in any country where the holder is normally resident, nor in any country
specifically excluded from that Carnet.
Prepared by RAC Carnets, RAC Motoring Services, Great Park Road, Bradley Stoke, Bristol, BS32 4QN.
Tel. 01454 208304, or email [email protected]
RAC/INF/CARNET/October 2006
 
thanks for that Ad.

I thougts the carnet for egypt had gone down? 800% is why most people dont go via egypt to SA!

sheeesh.

Good luck for next Friday, you sleeping much? :D

G
 
Buying own Landy has got be the most ideal what to go but how about going on an organised expedition? - as a way to avoid worrying about age to drive, or cost and outlay of vehicle, carnet, visas, insurance, diesal etc. A few companies offer food, lodgings and a much smaller fee in exchange for sharing chores along the way. Takes the care out of it and much better budget wise. Get to meet a bigger group of people at the outset. Not ideal for everyone as you'd be confined to the route decided at the outset and the people you would be travelling with, but still an overland route (and cheap!) to most of your chosen destinations. Just an idea.
 
thanks for that Ad.

I thougts the carnet for egypt had gone down? 800% is why most people dont go via egypt to SA!

sheeesh.

Good luck for next Friday, you sleeping much? :D

G
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Correct.
800% for Egypt.
If your vehicle is worth £5000 then you need an insurance policy to cover the carnet of £5000 x 8 = £40k
The cost of the policy should be circa 10% of the insured value.
So the carnet will cost £4k plus some setting up fees, which are not part of the 50% refundable.
You will get 50% of this back when you deliver or present your FULLY discharged carnet back to RAC.

So your jaunt through to Cape Town via Egypt will cost you £2k before you turn a wheel.

As all the remaining countries of passage are either 100% , 150% or 200%, the 800% you paid for passage through Egypt is over and above the cover required for all the other countries..

Going the west coast, Atlantic route, just look for the 150% carnet.

Do the same sums,
.
You can buy a lot of diesel for the difference in carnet costs, , and suddenly them pyramids seem very expensive viewing.

'vette
 
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For Africa a Landy would be fine, but if your going overland to Asia (Mongolia/china for example) then maybe a land cruiser would be a better option.

Why do you say that, out of interest? Just the amount of miles r.e economy or...?

Toby...Ad just explained what a carnet is...but as suggested, do a search on the net, or start here...
Carnet de Passage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How much do you reckon you have to spend on a car Toby?
 
I think you will be shocked at how expensive this will work out mate.

I was!

A cheap high milage defender in adequate condition will cost 3-5k by teh time you add a roof tent and other bits and pieces you will be at 7k even if you are frugal. Add on to that fuel carnet etc.. and this isnt a cheap gap year!

As someone has suggested how about one of the organised overlaand trips in a big truck?

Unless you are landed gentry...
 
Blimey, you don't have to spend 7K on a car to drive about in Europe Asia and Africa or anywhere if you don't want to spend that much.

Of course you don't have to but if you want to actually be self sufficient and go a long way on bad roads it gets expensive fast.

You could do it in a £200 saab with a cheap tent from Blacks.

Realistically what is the least you can expect to pay for a defender in MOT passing condition that would last 2 months in Africa? Add a roof rack and a roof tent plus a means of cooking and it all adds up fast.
 
Of course you don't have to but if you want to actually be self sufficient and go a long way on bad roads it gets expensive fast.

You could do it in a £200 saab with a cheap tent from Blacks.

Realistically what is the least you can expect to pay for a defender in MOT passing condition that would last 2 months in Africa? Add a roof rack and a roof tent plus a means of cooking and it all adds up fast.

just very roughly, what kind of money are we talking (excluding the defender and the car attachments)? are we talking a few thousand? tens of thousands?

I realize it will be expensive and I'm not asking for someone to go off and work it out, just a ball park figure for say 3months around europe, Asia and africa including everything except the cost of the actual vehicle.

Cheers,

Toby
 
Of course you don't have to but if you want to actually be self sufficient and go a long way on bad roads it gets expensive fast.

You could do it in a £200 saab with a cheap tent from Blacks.

Realistically what is the least you can expect to pay for a defender in MOT passing condition that would last 2 months in Africa? Add a roof rack and a roof tent plus a means of cooking and it all adds up fast.

you could indeed do it in a Saab. You get off the beaten track as much but its still possible.

why do you need a roof rack/tent? A 110 could easily be modified to sleep 2 on a raised bed inside with kit underneath.

what im trying to say is spend less= less comfort, spend more=more comfort. its simple.

200tdi 110 defender in ghood condition would be, say 3k tops. a trangia stove converted to gas £60, household pans/plates/mugs.

pair of camp chairs £20. table £20 awning made out of tarpaulin £5 insulated coolbox £10

It can be done cheaply.

you pay your money, you makes yer choice.

G
 
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